[larmus]

this is what i eventualy would like my gear plan to be... just the way its set up not everything that is listed, that changes from person to person. i thought this was a good idea and thought it should have been in this section and not the disscusion section...


http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sur...ar-layers.html



what do the rest of you think or have planned...

[JMcDonald]

I have layers like that. They aren't as defined, but its like, my ~15lb vest carries essentials. Enough food and shelter and water to get by for a few days. Most of what is in that is actually what that poster considers "primary" stuff. However, I don't see any likely reason I'd lose my vest, so I'll keep it in there. Plus I might not have ideal pants (I might just have jeans on if the situation arises too quickly) for stuffing a bunch of gear in pockets.

My "second" layer is actually a small backpack that holds a tarp and lines / bungees, a small canvas blanket, and a bit more food. It only weighs a couple of pounds and fits well so it is unlikely I'd lose that either.

Other than that, I just have duffel bags and other easily-grabbable items like water jugs, bags of food, sleeping bag, etc.

[Cyrano]

larmus, Pred's system is kind of close to the way I do it, though everything lives in the Grab & Go pack. There;s a US Army pistol belt with 2 canteens and purification pills (one canteen is full of food tablets), on-the-march first aid kit (as opposed to the household type kit in the backpack), compass pouch, ammo pouch for the AR-7 in the pack, Leatherman, and survival knife (a modified Model 1896 Swedish Mauser bayonet with cut down magnesium firestarter, fishing line, fish hooks, split shot, fishing line, nylon thread and both glover's and cloth needles in the handle). The vest contains a second compass, steel mirror, pocket fishing kit, gel firestarter, Pelton's Official Pocket Survival Manual, a small folding knife, a small flashlight (white, not red; I get by wrapping my fingers over the lens the way I learned how at sea), strike-anywhere matches in one of those 5-in-1 survival whistles, the boresnake and lube for the AR-7, a gigli saw, two mylar blankets, and a Bundeswehr utility bandanna. Everything else is in the pack except the hiking boots, which are attached to the pack frame with a carabiner and get put on first thing.

I may unpack everything and fine this down a little. I'd like to see if I can squeeze in maybe 30 feet of parachute cord into the vest. I'd also really like to get a sealed tin of amphetamines to maintain alertness and energy, but it's so hard to get them that's just a pipe dream.

[larmus]

ive got my gear spread out like that system as well, i just need to refine my system. its kinda bulky and im just trying to slim things up. when i take my urban b-o-b, i always take my mil-belt i have one canteen, large knife, extra ammo and a small survival kit attached to it. you've got stuff on there that i have not thought of, so im going to borrow your ideas if ya dont mind.

...and whats a "gigli saw"?

[Rimjob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

I'd also really like to get a sealed tin of amphetamines to maintain alertness and energy, but it's so hard to get them that's just a pipe dream.

Tell your doc that you have been trying to learn something new (maybe gun smithing) but can't focus.. Aderol is better than nothing. Whole bottle is prob 5 bucks, but you gotta have a script.

[TACAV]

Here is the set up Im currently putting together

First Line: "Basic Tools"- Bare minimum
Gear Belt or in pockets
HK USP Compact .45ACP on Thigh Holster
3 Spare mags for handgun in triple mag pouch - Total of 41 Rounds
LED flashlight
100oz Water Bladder
First Aid pouch
Small survival Kit with food tabs, water purification tabs, and various items, fire starting material, compass etc
Small Folding Knife in pocket
High Quality Fix bladed knife
Collapsible roll up Dump Pouch
Multi-tool
Compact Binoculars
Gloves
Hat
Sunglasses/ Or clear glasses which are suitable for doubling as eye protection.


Second Line Gear: Defense, hunting, and navigation
MOLLE Chest Rig
Carbine Length AR15- 5.56
4x extra 30 Round Mags- Total of 150 Rounds
Small Two Way Radio for short range communications with party members
Streamlight Sidewinder MOLLE mounted Light
Topographic and Road Maps of Local Area of Operations in waterproof compartment and second spare compass, GPS unit. Notepad and Pen
"Blow Out" First Aid Kit consisting of tourniquet, pressure bandage, and Quick Clot Package
Two Chem Lights
Hearing protection


Third Line Gear: Providing Sustenance And extended operating time out in the field.
Large MOLLE Pack capable of being upgraded/expanded with other smaller MOLLE storage or equipment pouches.
Ruger SP101 .357 Mag Revolver or Glock 19 9mm
A surpremely viable Ruger .22LR pistol
4 Extra loaded 30 round 5.56 Mags
Extra ammo in boxes for each gun
Prepackaged MREs Enough Calories to provide for 3 days
Second 100oz Water bladder
Spare clothes
Slow burning Emergency Candle
Medicine, pain killers, any prescriptions, larger first aid kit.
Hygiene kit: Hand sanitizer, floss etc
A couple folded Heavy lawn maint type trash bags
emergency space blanket
Spare batteries
550 cord
Small fishing kit
extra water purification tabs
bug repellant
zip ties
needles and thread
100 MPH tape or duct tape
poncho
Small folding saw and hatchet
medium sized flashlight
Sleeping bag
Cleaning kit and supplies for your firearms

I try to have all my battery powered equipment use the same batteries. My flashlights are LEDs and all use AA batteries. The two way radio also uses AAs. The Red dot Im eventually putting on my AR15 uses AA. The two way radio can also receive emergency weather channels. The only other thing that uses different batteries are any weapon mounted lights. They are types that both use CR123s. More spares for the AR15 light car be kept in the fore grip.

Thats pretty much it give or take a couple things. Its kinda a work in progress.

[larmus]

nice tacav mind if i compare and use ideas?

[TACAV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by larmus

nice tacav mind if i compare and use ideas?

Yea go for it

[larmus]

how much does your third line gear weigh? what do you care it in, one bag or two?...

ive got mine in a duffle bag.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by larmus

...and whats a "gigli saw"?

It's a wire saw about 18 inches long. It's a surgical wire saw, normally used to remove sections of skull for brain surgery. They won't cut down a tree, but they can handle branches just fine. I put split ings in the hole on each end. You can either just pull them with those, or you can thread a shor piece of wood through the split rings to make handles that are easier to hold. Gigli saw and split rings live in a round Altoids tin painted white with the contents written on with a Sharpie marker.

You can get gigli saws on eBay. That's where i got mine, but I don't remember what I paid for it. Wasn't a large amount, though.

[KGunner]

Well my gear has always been what I take camping. If I had to leave quick but weight was an issue (I had to run) I'd take my bare essentials packed separately. Contains a sewing kit, water filter, emergency ponchos, emergency blanket, Bic lighter, knife and 550 paracord, toiletries, hemp rope, and plastic bags.