[adamhgkb]

You guys want to know what these idiotic wimpy piece of trash liberals did in my area recently? An 8 year old brought a drilled out useless grenade to show and tell.........big deal right? its a piece of metal about as deadly as a spoon? Well they evacuated the school and called in the bomb squad! When did we become a nation of complete liberal, wimpy faggoty pussys?

[deserthobbies]

It was there last night, they must have pulled it today, maybe all the gun sales lately made them retreat.

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by adamhgkb

You guys want to know what these idiotic wimpy piece of trash liberals did in my area recently? An 8 year old brought a drilled out useless grenade to show and tell.........big deal right? its a piece of metal about as deadly as a spoon? Well they evacuated the school and called in the bomb squad! When did we become a nation of complete liberal, wimpy faggoty pussys?

When I was in K or 1st Grade (not sure which), I took my BB Gun and some various shotgun and pistol shells to school for show and tell. That would have been in 1974 or 1975.

I suspect we've come to the condition you described somewhere between then and now. I think it started taking off in 1999 (Columbine) and it got a major boost on 11 Sep 01.

Common sense isn't very common.

[ArkansasHunter]

The best thing we can do along with contacting the NRA and the other Pro-Gun organization's is to write, e-mail and call our elected Senator's.

Would someone here smarter than me draft a letter or script that we can send individualy ?...A.H

[scienceman]

They ot my 2 cents. Here is what I sent in case they show up at my door yall can
testify


Mr. President Elect.


I would love to take advantage of your request that we the American people give you our opinion. Mr President elect, the subject that I would like to discuss is in regard to the 2nd amendment. My viewing of your record on this issue was the only reason that my vote went to your opponent. Our founding fathers gave us this right and I will not vote for any candidate that does not respect this and the other rights that we enjoy. Banning guns is not the way to cut crime. Restricting the rights of the law abiding citizens of this country will not curtail the activity of criminals. Criminals break laws that is what they do. We, the American gun enthusiasts have the right to own any gun we desire if we break laws we loose this right. Restricting our rights will only anger a great percentage of the American public. I would point out that 48% of this country did not vote for you. I would additionally like to point out that many gun owners and enthusiast who trusted your word that you would support our rights did in fact vote for you. Just look at the record number of people purchasing guns and ammunition. Any attempt to restrict gun owners rights in anyway will alienate a large portion of the voting public. Mr. President elect, I respectfully advise that you and your administration should work on restricting criminal activity and leave the law abiding citizen free to enjoy his rights. The weapons ban did not work to cut crime the first time and crime has not increased since the ban lapsed. The only thing that that ban did was restrict our constitutional rights and get the republicans elected under Mr. Clinton's administration. I assure you,Mr. President elect, that it will do the same thing for you and the current congress. We will not stand for our rights being infringed again. We will not allow those who do not respect our rights to stay in power the next time they are up for election. I know that you will not receive a huge number of emails that I would like you to however I caution you that for every informed person who reads your agenda and responds in this fashion, there are millions who are simply waiting to see what you do. Mr. President elect the rights of the people should not be infringed because of the actions of the criminal element. We use our guns for sport and recreation, we spend hours cleaning and restoring our guns, we do not use our guns to commit crimes. Your oath and that of congress is to protect and uphold the constitution and the rights it grants, not to restrict and destroy them.
Mr. President elect, congratulations on your win. I hope that you prove that I was wrong in not voting for you and that you remember that you are their to follow and protect our rights.

[LiveToShoot]

Obama, and those freedom snatching henchmen behind him, are on the loose...

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

The best thing we can do along with contacting the NRA and the other Pro-Gun organization's is to write, e-mail and call our elected Senator's. Would someone here smarter than me draft a letter or script that we can send individualy ?...A.H

I like the idea of an outline. I've found that there is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all letter on gun control. Each time I've written, it changes based on the audience.

Maybe I'll put together a draft outline and people can use/cut/add to it for their own purposes.

[SightNSqueeze]

This was the letter that I forwarded last night. I asked that the letter be forwarded since I submitted it in what looked like a "general link." I think I was respectful, uncompromising, and to the point. I mentioned my cross section of concerns that may not be the concerns of all G&G people here; but here it is.

[Quote]
Honorable President Elect Barack Obama,

I am a voting citizen, prior law enforcement officer, and armed forces veteran of the Navy. I returned recently from government service in the Iraq War; which met with great success in spite of many of you.

I feel like I represent a large segment of the 48% of voters who did not vote for you and I have my concerns of your intentions following your narrow victory. I'm not going to try to convince you to represent my wants in our constitutional republic because, by your own admission, you are far removed from my beliefs in good government. I will say this; I will actively and legally challenge you through any legal medium to preserve the Constitution that I swore to defend, my belief in the right of religion and free expression, the right to bear arms without [any more] infringement, and every other individual right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution as it was interpreted by those who wrote it. Further, I’ll neither tolerate, nor ignore the attempts by the lucrative abortion industry, gay rights activists, anti-gun organizations, and representatives of terrorist groups to have greater access to your administration and the Congress than the rest of us or our grass roots representatives.

Remember, your cross section of support is based almost solely on economic conditions and those conditions only. Don’t get taken in by those same influences that rendered the Clinton Administration impotent after the ’94 Republican Revolution.

Finally, I wish you great success as president for the sake of our great republic; but do know your position is tenuous, temporary, and conditional based on your actions, how well you abide by the Constitution, and your response to those special interests that don’t represent the wishes of most Americans.

Sincerely,

[End Quote]

My unusual Middle Eastern name by itself will probably alert federal authorities. So be it. I'll stack my contributions to our nation’s security over those of Obama and Friends when my past and present security clearances pop up.

[bigmike134]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

The best thing we can do along with contacting the NRA and the other Pro-Gun organization's is to write, e-mail and call our elected Senator's. Would someone here smarter than me draft a letter or script that we can send individualy ?...A.H

Check out this thread:

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/you...r-writing.html
I composed this letter this morning.

[bigmike134]

SNS,
GREAT letter.

[Deersniper]

Links for me have been vanishing lately too. You have to save them. They must have teams watching what site gets hit the most, and then they analyze it to do that. That part is scary to me. TV will never tell about this. Your govt filter at work. Just writing to them puts you on a list, just let them know you wont be voting for them be cause of their stance. The person opening the mail just checks agree/disagree boxes. Those things have a way of re-appearing back on the net. Information wars brought to you by the matrix which is full of holes due to its size. This keeps up we are going to have to commandeer the duck hunting show. We need the Ted Nugent channel, VS the Obama channel.

[CO_Mountain_Boy]

Troy's post and DaTeacher's post seem to stick out to me.
Ben Franklin (I think) said that our Republic will only function in a moral, religious society.
Troy pointed out the "same old same old"-"let's do what is right and moralistic" because it's what people need to hear, but never gets done somehow.
And DaTeacher pointed out schools-again, kids with no morals.
Dad kicked my ass many times.......
I think our Country just needs more morals. Or at least, the right ones, lol!

[Mooseman684]

Well it seems the NRA, and the Washington Post as well as others got the info about the Agenda disapearing...We were able to retrieve it ! LOL
Washington Times - EXCLUSIVE: Agenda disappears from Obama Web site

Rich

[GlockMeister]

^^^Gee, I wonder why they removed it? Hmm, could it be because many didn't like what they were reading? lol

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

OK, I agree; this paragraph sucks. It remains to be seen whether he can actually manage to do it; he can't sign a bill unless Congress passes one. Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets. What else in the Urban Policy list do you object to so colorfully? It sounded like a lot of the same-old, same-old to me; they've been trying to resurrect the cities for years now.

Well if the Republican in Georgia loses his seat, and if Stevens in Alaska loses his, which I agree, he should, but if he wins he should be replaced by another Republican, and if the Democrats get away with basically STEALING the seat from Coleman in Minnesota, they just might get the filibuster proof majority they're hoping for and they'll do just that and a hell of a lot more that no one will be able to stop pr prevent...

I mean come on, even you have to admit what's going on in Minnesota smells fishy? 32 Absentee ballots are all of a sudden brought in from the trunk of an election officials car, which all of a sudden they show up, and after the election is over I believe, and they let them count? Granted, only 32, but out of those 32, not even 1 was a vote for Coleman, all went to the Dem.? Then before the recount officially gets started, his lead goes from almost 700 votes to 206? Due to counting errors or whatever? And only errors in the favor of the Dem. were found? No vote count errors for the Republican?

I'm sorry, but that stinks and if the Dems. win or get away with this garbage, our voting system is worthless and I'll have lost what little faith in humanity I've got left...

[TXplt]

It's pretty simple. Those who voted for lil' Caesar and plugzy not only have the RKBA as a relatively low priority in their life (actions speak louder than words--you can't credibly present yourself as a firearms "advocate" if you vote for the two most anti-gun candidates in history--period, dot), but also are capable of being fooled by a slick talking warshington lawyer (aka "drinking the Kool-Aid"). I'm willing to conceed some might have been "fooled" but given the vast data regarding obama's anti-gun past, I'll refer back to the operative noun of "fooled." Maybe some folks are "wishing" he doesn't attempt something sinister concerning the 2A, but it's only wishing and only tempered by the potential "stick" of political reality not allowing this to happen with some breathern in the kongress who know they'll be voted out of office by gun owners would they try a gun grab. This is like flying into a severe thunderstorm and hoping you can keep control of the aircraft and that it doesn't break apart. It's better not to fly into the storm in the first place, and if you're a prudent pilot you don't do such silly things.

Again, those who voted for obama will have to live with their choice--it's just too bad the rest of us will have to live with their poor choice and lack of vision.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TXplt

It's pretty simple. Those who voted for lil' Caesar and plugzy not only have the RKBA as a relatively low priority in their life (actions speak louder than words--you can't credibly present yourself as a firearms "advocate" if you vote for the two most anti-gun candidates in history--period, dot), but also are capable of being fooled by a slick talking warshington lawyer (aka "drinking the Kool-Aid"). I'm willing to conceed some might have been "fooled" but given the vast data regarding obama's anti-gun past, I'll refer back to the operative noun of "fooled." Maybe some folks are "wishing" he doesn't attempt something sinister concerning the 2A, but it's only wishing and only tempered by the potential "stick" of political reality not allowing this to happen with some breathern in the kongress who know they'll be voted out of office by gun owners would they try a gun grab. This is like flying into a severe thunderstorm and hoping you can keep control of the aircraft and that it doesn't break apart. It's better not to fly into the storm in the first place, and if you're a prudent pilot you don't do such silly things. Again, those who voted for obama will have to live with their choice--it's just too bad the rest of us will have to live with their poor choice and lack of vision.

Shall I commit seppuku on the street in front of your house without a second, or would you settle for me simply shooting myself in my back yard?

Unlike some of the fanatics out there, I believe in all ten amendments contained in the Bill of Rights, not just the second one. I don't blindly ignore everything else, as long as I can keep fondling my guns. And I own them because I like them, not because I'm making a political statement.

I also consider social, financial and military issues. And I consider the candidates carefully. I decided McCain is no longer the man he used to be, and I don't trust his temperament or judgment enough to risk having him in charge of the country. That, coupled with the fact that electing him would also perpetuate most of the garbage the Bush administration has laid on the country, led me to choose Obama instead.

I got it. You don't think Obama is capable of leading the country, or being in charge of the military and our foreign policy. Colin Powell thinks he is, and so does Bill Buckley's son.

Let's see now. Whose opinion should I give more weight: TXplt's, or Colin Powell's. What to do...what to do...hmm. Think I'll go with Colin Powell this time. If you think he was "fooled," take it up with him.

Who's right and who's wrong will be sorted out over the next few years. Meanwhile, you might want to stop whining about Obama until he's actually sworn in, and does something...give it a rest.

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Let's see now. Whose opinion should I give more weight: TXplt's, or Colin Powell's. What to do...what to do...hmm. Think I'll go with Colin Powell this time. If you think he was "fooled," take it up with him.

You are free to weight opinions as you see fit. I did (and to some extent do still) think hightly of Colin Powell, and I do find it unfortunate that his decision would (IMHO) be swayed by race, self-interest, and bitterness toward Bush (who would have had nothing to do with the new establishment). I think much less of Powell's judgment (although he was always a political sort) -- I did formerly believe his dedication to his troops would overrule personal agendas and racial bias. This is a fault of mine--I always tend to see the best in people. To be frank, I personally believe he sold out his breathern at arms (but that's water over the dam and it's in the "deal with it" stage now).

It's not "whining" deserving of a "give it a rest" when we hold those accountable for the poor decisions they made--is it a "liberal" thing to escape personal accountability or use time to erase memories of past irresponsibilities ? Those who did vote for BH hold our RKBA in very low priority (this is unquestionable--the facts show how anti-firearm he is; gun owners who did vote for BH are simply hoping that he either won't or won't be able to restrict firearms ownership much due to the goodness of his "heart" or a kongress that won't go for it. This is, I believe, at best extremely foolhardy and naive--apparently many Americans agree in that guns and ammo are being sold in record numbers in anticipation of future restrictions). In that the RKBA is the "safety valve" for all others, I would argue by voting for BH one holds all the rights affirmed by the bill of rights in very low priority as well. You couldn't by any means make a case for BH being a better protector of our constitutional rights than McC and Palin--BH's voting supported those of our supreme court who were in the minority in the Heller decision (the same folks that wrote, essentially, that we have no rights when it comes to the "collective" good--ya might want to re-read the minority opintion--especially Steve's part). McC and Palin were far better guardians of all our rights affirmed by the constitution--these individuals see the constitution as both a job description and a sacred oath to "protect and defend" --McC literally paying with his blood in combat for this oath and putting his money where his mouth is with this and service afterward. Not so for the warshington lawyer--IMHO, BH sees the constitution simply as an "obstruction" to get his agenda around (and the conversations I've heard from him support this conclusion).

Sorry, if you did vote for BH you made a poor choice, son. No way to rationalize it (or shirk from being responsible for the impact by you made toward diminishing our RKBA).

[LiveToShoot]

During the WMD shindig, I lost count of the number of times Colin Powell lied to us and to the UN...

...I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit on him.

In such, he was a sad and sorry puppet in the hands of those deceiving Americans and others around the world...

...and when he endorsed BHO I knew they were/are birds of a feather.

[troy2000]

Whatever you believe about Colin Powell and his motives, I don't think he would have endorsed Obama, if he didn't think Obama could do the job. He has no interest in seeing this country go down the toilet.

Sorry, but if the choice is taking the opinion of a disgruntled, blindly partisan poster on Gun and Game, or taking the opinion of General Powell, I'll take Powell. He's had a close, up-front and personal view of what the job entails, and what it takes to handle it.

Powell has been friends with McCain for years. I'd say his refusal to endorse him in this campaign reflects a belief I also hold: McCain is slipping. A couple of lapses in judgment that Powell cited, on top of just the general negativity of McCain's campaign:

"This Bill Ayers situation that's been going on for weeks became something of a central point of the campaign," Powell said. "But Mr. McCain says that he's a washed-out terrorist. Well, then, why do we keep talking about him?"

Powell said McCain's choice of Palin raised questions about judgment. "I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States," Powell said.