i had read a SGN artical about the carbine that never was the .45acp modification to a Mauser 98, I think there are other kits out there which brand has had the best feedback so far?
the Mauser 98 rifle. It would seem the width of this cartridge would be too much for the bolt and receiver. The 98 has been rebarreled for wide variety of rifle cartridges of which the largest I know is the .30-06.
the Mauser 98 rifle. It would seem the width of this cartridge would be too much for the bolt and receiver. The 98 has been rebarreled for wide variety of rifle cartridges of which the largest I know is the .30-06.
Not quite right, the Mauser 98 will easily handle a .45acp. The biggest calibre I recall for the Model 98 was the 9.3 x 64 with a case head of just over half an inch, almost 30 thou bigger than a .45acp.
The one company (which I forget the name) I had heard of sells coversion kits for the 98 Mauser, but the one that supposedly goes together the easiest is using a British Enfield. If I recall the bolt face needs a little modification on the mauser, just the extractor and a hole in the mag well on the enfield. Maybe 5 years ago I had seen one done as a coversion but the maker had actually cut almost 2 inches out of the middle of the action and welded the whole thing back together!!!
Hmm, perhaps someone could make a business out of doing those conversions (who was the company that made those nice Enfield scout rifles...) so I don't have to pretend I have the skills to put one together!
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I would imagine, given that the .45 ACP and .308 have the same case head dimensions and the shoulder location of the .308, it wouldn't be all that difficult to rebarrel one of these "youth model" short action rifles for the .45 Win Mag.
(ADDED) The Remington 600 action was used in the XP-100 for the likes of 7mm BR (a 7mm08 with a 1.52" case) so I would suspect the parts exist for the ambitious to create any kind of short bolt-action carbine.
I would imagine, given that the .45 ACP and .308 have the same case head dimensions and the shoulder location of the .308, it wouldn't be all that difficult to rebarrel one of these "youth model" short action rifles for the .45 Win Mag.
Now you are speaking my language!!!
always liked the idea of a .400 Cor Bon carbine too, isn't that based on the same brass?
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Okay, after some searching, the company called "Rhineland Arms" was making the kits, but their website is no longer working and some other threads have reported not receiving ordered products...
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The .400 CorBon is the same length as the 10mm/.45 Super; longer than the .45 ACP but not as long as the .45 Win Mag. The head dimensions of the .45 ACP/Super, .400 CorBon, .460 Rowland and .45 Win Mag are all the same...and identical to .308/.30-06 brass.
The Rhineland kit was featured in the artical, according to the artical it was a one man operation, if the owner was Ill or sued would explain the sudden lack of response & service or he is overwhelmed from all the business from that article, the 2 pc. mag housing was a really neat idea and wouldent seem all that hard to do, especially with the threaded barrel/lock nut arrangement, so all one has to do is screw in the barrel on a headspace gage and lock the berral jambnut (Savage type) sounds simple enough.
The important factor in this conversion is the bolt face dimension.
The .30-06, .308, and 7 and 8mm Mausers--and the .45 ACP--all have the same case head dimensions--.473. Anything with that case head diameter is a prime candidate for a conversion. The .45 ACP would be easy to do--replace the barrel with one chambered in .45 ACP, and block the magazine to the .45 ACP length. The pressures would not be an issue--.45 ACP pressures only run to about 17,000-20,000 c.u.p., and rifle cartridges run about 45-52,000 c.u.p, on average.
Yup, dug out my Yugo M-48, a .45 ACP fits nicely in that big ole claw!
Now who is going to sign up to make me a barrel?
Only commercial place I know of is ER Shaw Barrels, betcha something could be worked out. Even if I have to carve a magazine block out of wood to start with, and I think there are some CNC machines at the college... hmm this could work.
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Hey--betcha if you contacted Douglas Barrels (Charleston, WV) or locally, Pac-Nor barrels (In WA State), that they could fix you right up with a 16 inch rifled barrel cut in .45 ACP. If you send them the action, they'd even rebarrel it, cut the proper headspace and send it back nice and purty for you.
just looked up Rhineland Arms Inc. and everything looks up & running he is even stateing a new Mauser conversion the .45win mag will use a 30carbine mags
the Mauser & Enfield conversions look pretty straight forward, the mauser kit with everything needed was $165
The enfield kit looked even simpler with the mag insert a ready replacement of the enfield mag!
His barrels come in 1" od in the SGN artical it was stated there was a stepped barrel option.
the mauser boltstop/ejector looked funny as it is allot longer and with the bolt forward it sticks out the side
The enfield modification you just grind down the existing extractor to fit the new round.
Last edited by Rex in OTZ; 11-19-2008 at 05:21 PM.
I'd like feedback if you did this project with Rhineland.
I'd like to know if you got your 45 acp rifle put together? If you have not, would you be interested in parting with it as I am interested in this project?
