Old 11-26-2008, 10:32 AM   #1
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Is Owning a Gun Embarrassing?

Is it significant that the 63 questions would-be Obama appointees have to answer include a query about gun ownership?

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Old 11-26-2008, 05:38 PM   #2
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Owning a gun is not embarrassing. If yours are unregistered in a city which requires registration, you've been convicted of brandishing one or illegally carrying one through airport security, or your Dad used one to rob a liquor store, it's potentially embarrassing...

Seems like a reasonable area to question, as long as they don't have a blanket policy of not hiring gun owners, period. No one has actually accused them of that, so far; they just kind of imply it.

When I hear about someone whose application got shot down purely for ownership of a gun, I'll get upset.
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:44 PM   #3
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Great ... I'm REALLY embarrassed then... and proud of it !
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #4
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This question cuts to the very core of gun ownership. If you look at the other questions, these are aimed at vetting embarassments - not to disqualify nominations.

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Old 11-26-2008, 06:44 PM   #5
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Great points cold queso ....

I'm sure some of mine have done much the same. I have no regrets ...
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:13 PM   #6
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Larryo - I pulled the list of milsurp accomplishments out. This thread needs to stay focused on the issue of vetting gun owners from the administration.

I am still upset that the list doesn't include association with radicals, flag burning, dope smoking, etc. But moral decay isn't as important as gun toting.....
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:24 PM   #7
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:19 PM   #8
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Well if someone does something with a gun that might "embarrass" the administration, according to the administration, then odds are more than likely that this same person or persons would no longer be a gun owner. I mean, define an embarrassing thing done with a gun that one would or could do that wouldn't mean them losing their rights to continue to own a or any guns wouldn't occur? Just define an embarrassing thing done with a gun?

I mean, here's an example of something that could be considered "embarrassing" that done with a gun, a hypothetical one that is. A person applying for a job answers the question saying, well my brother on a 4th of July 5 yrs. ago shot his dbl. barreled shot gun off 3 times into the air. Of course and yes, it is and would be an embarrassing thing, but, at the same time, if they were caught, they'd get the gun taken away, probably go to jail, at the very least for that night, and odds are, they'd lose the gun for good, pay a fine as well as lose any future right/s to owning that or any other gun in the future.

So at that point, it's probably a good possibility this person knowing the question is one they'd have to answer, and if this person has the kind of brains and schooling needed to do any job in such an environment should and would also have the common sense, and BRAINS, to know they probably should even be wasting their time or anyone elses answering this or any other questions because being smart, they'd know, like the rest of us, the odds of them getting hired are and would be nil to none...

And if it was about someone doing something embarrassing with a gun, the question, I think anyhow, wouldn't start out, "Do you or anyone in your family own a gun?" It would, again, I think anyhow, start out, "Have you or anyone in your family ever down anything with a firearm that could be or would be considered "embarrassing"?

I guess my point is, it (owning or a family member owning a gun) has nothing to do with doing any job in the White House or within this administration. I think it's a discriminative question. Because again, odds are, anything deemed "embarrassing" done by anyone with a gun, the odds are there's also a record of same. But here's the thing, even if such a thing were done, and if it were many years ago, and the person or the person in the persons family has done the time and paid the fine, what then could there be for anyone to use it against the administration?

I mean, let's say they hired someone and it gets found our that 10 yrs. ago this person has a brother that robbed a grocery store with a gun, went to jail for 5 yrs and got out and also did 3 yrs. probation. How in the hell would or could that be deemed embarrassing to the administration. In this case, it wasn't the person that applied or got the job, it was their brother. And their brother as I said, did the time, pad the fine and finished probation and for the last 2 yrs. has them self gone to school and has a good steady job. Let's say this all were true and happened.

What and how and where would this be "embarrassing"? To me, the person should be commended for turning their life around and the on, the brother, has nothing to do with the one, brother applying for let alone gotten the job. If anyone were to run with a story like that to try and embarrass anyone, they should be the ones to get told they're ignorant and all that. I mean, what's happened to people getting a second chance?

I mean, Obama himself admitted to doing drugs. Hell, under this, his own type of scrutiny just to get a job within his administration, he should have disqualified himself from even ever running for President. Maybe he shouldn't have ever been given a second chance or have ever had it forgotten he did such a thing. Because it would seem, he's not letting anyone who may have to answer yes to this question be given a second chance nor does he seem to let it be forgotten they did such a thing.

I guarantee he didn't make or won't make any of the secret service or security personal answer such a question.
In fact, since he feels the way he does about guns, I mean, because it's so obvious, and that if he feels we shouldn't have the right to protect ourselves, our property or our family, then maybe those that guard him, his wife and his children shouldn't have any guns either then. So he's President, SO WHAT. In my book, it makes his life worth no less or no more then mine. And I mean no disrespect in saying that.

And I guarantee they won't hire one person that owns or has ever owned or that has a family member that owns, or has ever owned a gun and I guarantee you we'll have no way of finding out or knowing the truth one way or the other. All they have to say is we found someone that was more qualified. They know there's no way to prove discrimination!

And is there a question that asks, were you or someone you know or a family member ever in a gang? In a fraternity? I mean let's face it, fraternities tend to do embarrassing things right? Is there a question asking if you or a friend or a family member ever hung around with or at any time ever spent time with or had a relationship with a known prostitute?

And as previously mentioned and to my knowledge there's not a question that asks if you or someone you know, has had or has ever had a relationship or acquaintance with a person known to be or considered to be a radical? Not that I'm aware of... Not only would to me, all be discriminating as this one is, again, to me and all would have nothing to do with one having the brains, knowledge and ability to do whatever job they're applying or hired for!!! But Obama wouldn't even get hired into his own administration if there were such a question about ties to a person deemed radical and probably why there isn't, if indeed there isn't...

I just thought about this; Has there ever been any other President or President elect that has asked such a question or questions in regards to ANYONE getting/obtaining or on the condition of getting or obtaining employment with in their administration? I'll go out on a limb and say, um,um, um,,, NO!!! lol


Gee, I can't wait for the aftermath from this one. And gee, I just wonder who this aftermath will come from? I can count the possibilties on one hand without even using all 4 fingers and thumb and at most, I might even have a thumb and one finger left. lol
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:37 PM   #9
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Is owning a gun embarrassing?


Only if you are a Democrat.


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Old 11-26-2008, 09:40 PM   #10
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Quote:       Originally Posted by shop tom View Post
Is owning a gun embarrassing?


Only if you are a Democrat.


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Well Said.
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Is owning a gun embarrassing?


Only if you are a Democrat.


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Old 11-26-2008, 10:10 PM   #12
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PRICELESS shop tom ... PRICELESS ...
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Old 11-27-2008, 06:43 AM   #13
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Quote:       Originally Posted by shop tom View Post
Is owning a gun embarrassing?


Only if you are a Democrat.


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Like I said, during my 20+ years in the service, I've NEVER seen anyone ask a question about firearms ownership as part of the vetting process in the past for any type of military or public service. Ever. This includes individuals applying for sensitive positions of all kinds, and included all kinds of screening questions and interviews. It's an unnecessary question anyhow for someone not biased against firearms ownership--any relevant adverse information would already have been obtained through someone's criminal and civil action history. Indeed, it would seem to me (at least in the private sector) similar questions on an employment application which involve unnecessary intrusion into completely legal activities of the prospective employee might prove the basis for a discrimination lawsuit.

I believe it to be very telling about the new administration's philosophy. We don't register guns in TX, and wouldn't consider this a normal thing to do (it isn't any more normal than "registering" to be a Presbyterian).
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Old 11-27-2008, 09:21 AM   #14
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Quote:       Originally Posted by shop tom View Post
Is owning a gun embarrassing?


Only if you are a Democrat.


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Not true. Out here, it's the Democrats who own guns and hunt. I think you should've said Politicians.
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