Hi, let me start off with introducing myself. My name is Anthony and I live in West Babylon, New York (not the city) on Long Island and I have a few questions about the idiotic NYS AWB and a rifle that I was looking to buy.
I wanted to know if the 6.5 Grendel® Overwatch - Complete Weapons System would be NYS compliant. I have a feeling that it is not but I wanted to make sure before I abandon all hope of ever owning this rifle. The specifications are as follows...
.: It does NOT have a folding/collapsible stock, a bayonet lug, a flash hider, or a detachable mag that holds more then 10 rds.
.: It does have a pistol grip and a threaded barrel and a detachable 10 rnd. magazine and a 24" barrel.
If the threaded barrel is the problem would having the local gun store that took care of the transfer for me weld a muzzle brake on make it compliant since there would be only one "evil" feature which would be the pistol grip?
Thanks in for the help I will be eagerly awaiting the replies. I hope I posted this in the correct forum, sorry if I didn't.
its not so much the threaded muzzle, its what goes on the threaded muzzle. you can't have a flash supressor in NY, you can have a compensator, a gray area would be one that does both. your best bet, and this is what I did, call your local state police barracks and ask to talk to their firearms instructor, he'll tell you yes or no.
hell ask him any other questions you may have about the law. its part of his job to help people with these questions.
hope that helps.
of course in west babylon do you really need that much punch? that maybe something to ask yourself Anthony.
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Thanks for the advice. I never thought about calling the state troopers barracks.
I have owned a mak90, sks, and my new WASR-10 all in 7.62x39 but I have always wanted to shot, long range with 1000 yard capability. I usually go out to calverton or upstate in ashland where a family member has a few acres of land and a house.
The other reason I want to get this rifle is because of the Democrats in NY and in the US senate will be banning some types of firearms again and just like Carolyn Maloney tried to do in 2007 with her 1 "evil" feature = an assault rifle. I am a democrat and I do not agree with banning any types of firearms. there should be a federally required criminal check but no outright banning. So before this rifle type is banned, if it is not already, I would like to get it so it can be grand fathered in when the dems go to town in January.
Thanks again for the advice. I will be calling the barracks on Friday and then hopefully placing an order in a few weeks.
another option is just getting an AR-15 and buying the Grendel upper at a later date. I know they're getting rarer then hen's teeth but still can be found. even if they do ban 'assault rifles' you'll be grandfathered in by already owning one. parts are never banned and a new upper reciever is a 'part'.
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I was thinking about that but I wasn't sure if the upper receiver would be considered un compliant. Since it has to be shipped to a FFL holder I didn't want them to tell me that they couldn't release it after spending $900.00 on it. I shop at American Outdoors in Farmingdale and would probably use them for the transfer and they do things strictly by the book.
The uppers I saw on Alexander Arms web site has the barrel (Threaded but no flash hider or Brake) included , would that make any difference? I don't think so but it can't hurt to ask.
That would be sweet. That would be my second option, the third would be to find a .308 bolt action or semi-auto.
By the way how much would be to much to pay for an AR-15? With or without an upper.
the lower reciever is what the BATF consider the 'firearm' part of an assault rifle, to my knowledge can just hop on the AA website and order the upper no problem. the lower has to go through an FFL dealer.
I spent after taxes just over a grand on my bushmaster. check around see if you have a gander mountain near by, i know the 'local' one for me was putting their DPMS AR's on clearance. Also Remmington now offers AR's they'll set you back over a grand and they do offer one in .308 R-25. If you want 6.5 Grendel you need to get a .223/5.56 lower/rifle. and for the record the Remmington AR's are Bushmaster with a better trigger.
check out the AR-15 boards for info, the guys are pretty good about answering questions.
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Since no one seems to have mentioned it, Tach, welcome to G&G. You raise some very good questions.
Another suggestion re: how to find out what's legal and what isn't on a gun is to contact the folks at BATFE. The New York State office is in Brooklyn, and they are fairly easy to deal with and good about answering questions.
I will make an observation about the things that attach to the muzzle with threads, and the oddities of New York gun laws. Mention the words "suppressor," "compensator" or "flash hider," and the legislators foam at the mouth and go batshit. However, if you call it a "muzzle brake," they have no problem with it.
According to the idiots who wrote the Pataki Gun Ban (may they and he burn in hell forever), suppressor = "silencer," and of course them's e-v-i-l because only criminals use them. (The fact that in states with civilized gun laws, anyone who is willing to pony up $200 for the tax stamp and go through a BATFE background check can legally own one and use it is beside the point to the New York legislature.)
Likewise, a flash hider is e-v-i-l because it means you can't see where the shot came from. (It seems no one ever explained to these people that a flash hider is meant to hide the flash from the shooter. You can't hide the flash of the shot from someone who is downrange of it.)
Compensators are e-v-i-l because they's used on them nasty tommyguns. Can't have the citizens owning them nasty tommyguns! (The fact that even in New York, if you are willing to jump through the hoops, find a full-auto firearm, pay that $200 tax stamp and go through the BATFE background check you CAN legally own one is beside the point, with or without the compensator on it.)
But muzzle brakes, they have no problem with. WE know that muzzle brake = compensator = suppressor, and all they do is counter muzzle rise so you can stay on target better. So call it a muzzle brake and they will have no problem with it.
And isn't it curious that the legislators go bananas over compensators, but have no problem with magna-porting, which does exactly the same thing?
As a last ditch thing, a gunsmith could cut the threads off and re-crown the barrel for you. Or perhaps you could contact the company directly, explain that you live in the Peoples Democratic Republic of New York and the laws here have problems with threaded barrels, and could they please provide your rifle with an unthreaded barrel? You might have to pay extra for it, but it would solve the problem.
I have been looking on Guns America for a complete lower unit and found a complete lower unit with all parts including trigger group, its made by CMMG iNC and B&S(the people that are selling it) is selling it for $397.00 and its unfired. That sounds pretty cheap to me. Is it worth it? heres the link...
I would buy this right now and have it shipped to American Outdoors if everything is on the up and up. From the way it is described and from the pics it does seem NYS compliant(once it is fully assembled). No folding/collapsible stock, semi auto. I am sure that the Grendel Overwatch will fit onto this. The complete lower is mil-spec and Alexander Arms states that there uppers will fit on any mil-spec lower.
This sounds like a good way to go about this. I will call American outdoors tomorrow to make sure that they would be able to release that complete lower if I order it and have it shipped to them.
I have emailed Alexander Arms about a non-threaded barrel a few days ago but they have not replied yet. They are probably so busy that it will take them a month to reply. I will probably call them tomorrow.
As for the NYS AWB. These "law makers" have NO IDEA what they are talking about. They probably never fired a rifle or pistol in there life. All of the "evil" features that they banned are all cosmetic. They have nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon. The one law that boggles my mind is the no bayonet one. I can't put a knife on my rifle? I can own the gun but I can't put a knife on it. That is just plain idiotic.
yeah, that lower is ok, solid stock, that's all that matters on the lower. I know NY is bass-ackwards when it comes to gun laws. no bayonet lug, no new high-cap mags, no flash supressor, and mostly (and the most painful to me) no adjustable/colaspable stocks.
^^ hey someone else who refers to NY as the Peopel's Democractic republic of new york.
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Thanks to NorthernDragon and Cryano for all the advice you have given me.
I went to the Alexander Arms web site and they are selling there own complete lower for $12.00 more. I will probably get that one instead.
I just watched a youtube video on how to cut and re crown a rifle barrel. It seems pretty easy as long as you have a jig so you can cut the barrel straight. I have the hacksaw, tap, vice, files, and sand paper so I should be able to do it. But I will probably just put a permanent muzzle brake on it instead of mangling a $1500.00 rifle.
So far everyone here has been great. Thanks to you guys I now have a better idea of how to go about acquiring this dream rifle.
I will let you guys know what the Firearms Instructor at the barracks tells me. If its a no go with the complete rifle then I will tell you how the second option goes. Should be finished in about a month or so.
Everyone should use there tax refund check or stimulus rebate to arm themselves to the teeth.
Dick's has a coupon in their black friday flyer, buy one box of ammo get one half price up to six boxes. I'm taking advantage of that up in albany tomorrow (hopefully). <--- the deal was a bust, even half price on a box was still $.48 a round and I can find it cheaper elsewhere.
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Last edited by northerndragon; 11-28-2008 at 03:37 PM.
Reason: deal was a bust
Hows it going people? Heres an update.....Instead of waiting for Alexander Arms to get the lowers in stock(the wait was a few months) I went ahead and bought a Bushmaster XM15-E2S complete lower receiver for $399.99 from one of the local gun stores. It was the last one he had in stock so I grabbed it before someone else bought it.
The state trooper I called never returned my call so I will have to call him again. Now all I have to do is get the AA Grendel Overwatch Upper, the Alexander Arms muzzle brake - pepper pot design, a bipod, and a scope. Then its off to the range in Calverton.
maybe you could also think about getting an standard AR-15 upper, it would be cheaper to shoot than the Grendel. you wouldn't get the distance, 500 yards with the right scope and zeroing, but it would be a little easier on the wallet to shoot.
just a thought.
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I was thinking about that also. I will probably get a normal upper in a few months. I bought 60 rounds of the Wolf Gold 6.5 Grendel rounds from Cabela's at $12.99 for a box of 20. Alexander Arms sells there own ammo but those are about $26.00-$32.00 for 20. Cabela's was the only store that had these in stock.
I am going to be putting in my order today for the Grendel Overwatch W/24" barrel complete upper. I called them the other day to ask them about the lead time for there lower receiver (before I bought the Bushmaster lower) and they told me the wait would be 4 weeks. I hope it is the same time frame for the upper, I will have to call them before I place the order. I going to have to get a bipod too, probably the Harris HBRM-S.
I placed my order for the Grendel OW upper and was told that the wait will be 6-8 weeks. I could deal with waiting 2 months for a supurb rifle. I'm in for a lot of sleepless nights untill it is delivered and put together
another option is just getting an AR-15 and buying the Grendel upper at a later date. I know they're getting rarer then hen's teeth but still can be found. even if they do ban 'assault rifles' you'll be grandfathered in by already owning one. parts are never banned and a new upper reciever is a 'part'.
I'm new here, but I try keep informed on gun laws and such. There is right now in the U.S. Congress a bill interduced by a Chicago congressman that would reinstate the Clinton Assault Weapons Law. The new twist is that it would BAN ALL GUNS [BOUGHT AFTER THE LAW SUNSETTED IN 2004] that didn't fit into or couldn't be sold during the 10 years of the Clinton Law. So if you buy today an AR-15 that you couldn't buy in 1998, you will have an illegal gun that must be turned in. You and everyone else that owns guns needs to realize who got elected on November 4th 2008. He's a gun hating Socialist/ Communist that hates this country and all the things that made it great. Compared to Obama, Billy Clinton was a gun owners best friend.
I doubt a federal assault ban will have much effect here in NY because of the NYS AWB which is the clinton ban save this one never runs out. honestly I think O'barry and his lot will be far busier trying to get the economy going. (that's my opinion if I'm wrong well I'm wrong)
capital region, my girl is from their originally, been there myself to visit her folks, too built up for me, no place to shoot or do much of anything outdoors.
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Lead time 
untill it is delivered and put together 
