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Old 12-04-2008, 08:51 AM   #41
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:00 AM   #42
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Good for you LiveToShoot ... you are fortunate to be able to do so ...

You can teach your daughter your ideals, your beliefs and your morals without the worry of what is being "spoon fed" to the kids in public schools.

IF we ever have kids... I plan to do just the same...
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:02 AM   #43
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My wife is getting linked up with similar thinking/acting mothers in our area...

...so we are part of a support network for such.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:03 AM   #44
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if i lived in st. louis i would have a few guns on me and a coupla pitbulls
AND A MOVING VAN IN MY DRIVEWAY!
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:05 AM   #45
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I'd have a sign ... probably multiple signs in the yard warning of a pit bull with aids.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:20 AM   #46
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"warning Guard dog on duty, but its the .12 guage that is what you gatta worry about!"

Im not much of a pitbull fan would rather have a couple German Shepards but either way a couple good guard dogs that make alot of noise and WILL act if some one breaks in and not just bark is a good worth while investment.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:25 AM   #47
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"warning Guard dog on duty, but its the .12 guage that is what you gatta worry about!"

Im not much of a pitbull fan would rather have a couple German Shepards but either way a couple good guard dogs that make alot of noise and WILL act if some one breaks in and not just bark is a good worth while investment.
no matter what i wouldnt live there for a day.
i lived in a city just long enough to get my butt out of there.
i took a paycut
and moved to a more expensive part of the country
and i NEVER have to lock my truck!
no sirens at night
no racial unrest.
no gangs
we dont even have grafitti
if you are motivated you dont have to live in a $#!t hole.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:32 AM   #48
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^O i understand, thats why i cant stand living in a town. I have always and plan on always living outside in the country. CIty lif is by far NOT for me!
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:39 AM   #49
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i think we have had two murders in the 30 years i have lived here.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:40 AM   #50
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AllAlaskan, I'm with you ... I hate cities. Give me a stream, corn field and a simple life, I am one happy man.

I don't need that other crap.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:45 AM   #51
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ME too!!! I live on top of a hill, that me and the bank own. The closest town in Ok. is 16 miles away. But there's a town in Mo. that's only 3.5 miles away, but we can't hear it. I'm happy to say, well, I'M HAPPY!!!
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:48 AM   #52
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AllAlaskan, I'm with you ... I hate cities. Give me a stream, corn field and a simple life, I am one happy man.

I don't need that other crap.
i cant stand the fast pace or the hustle and bustle of those cornfields..
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:51 AM   #53
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LOL ... and that babbling brook just won't shut up !
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LOL ... and that babbling brook just won't shut up !
enough to drive a man mad i tells ya!
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LOL ... one if these days ... ugh ... I'll get that brook to shut up ... and that corn field ! Geez ... noisy !!!

I miss beeping horns, bi*chy people and congestion ...
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:12 AM   #56
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these songbirds are pushing me over the edge.....
they push
and push
i told em i would shoot
but they didn't believe me!
who's laughing now?!?
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:38 AM   #57
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It's education all right, on how to indoctrinate them into the socialistic agenda. I recommend home schooling, kids come out smarter and more focused. Public school is chaotic and mostly run by Idiots and the swat team. They need more History and Civics background. They have even rewrote the history books, some teachers telling the class The Founders of this country were terrorists and insurgents. The SAT test is not a guage of how they will excel in life. They need to teach more skills again like industrial arts, and how to get along in life by handing down your trade to your kids. Parents have to get more hands on in their kids lives. What causes the generation gap? Public School.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:38 PM   #58
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Let me offer some insight to those of you who have not lived in St. Louis.

St. Louis is a great city, we have the Cardinals, the Blues, and the Rams, we have a world famous zoo which is absolutely free, along with the Science Center which is free, and Grants Farm which the Anheuser-Busch family owns and keeps prices way down and does a lot of preservation work for animals. The Gateway Arch is an incredible landmark which graces the bank of the Mississippi river.

I spent 16 years of my life there, all of my informative years were spent in Florissant, a place about 10 minutes north of the heart of downtown St. Louis. When we first moved there in 1989 it was peaceful, and filled with people who genuinely cared. People were religious, mostly Catholic, and the education system was even something that was sought after. I went to a private Catholic gradeschool, and subsequently a private Catholic high school. The gradeschool was chosen not because of the public school system, because at the time it was rather good, but because my family wanted me to have a moral God-fearing upbringing, although I no longer see myself as a religious person, the values instilled in me from that schooling haven't faded in the least. I went to the private high school because my father, four uncles, and grandfather went there. By that time in 2000 the public school system in Florissant was in utter shambles. Metal detectors had been installed, there were daily fights in the high schools, and the dropout rate was somewhere around 30%. When education fails, so does society.

By the time I left in 2005 one of my neighbors was knifed to death in his driveway over a matter of $20. At night you simply could NOT go outside alone without some form of protection, even with dogs. There were 16 and 17 year old little homies driving around holding people up at gunpoint and then beating the **** out of them. Several of my neighbors houses had been broken into or attempted, there was a rash of bike thefts in my neighborhood by the pre-teen thugletts, police response time was terrible. One night at work a small gang of kids about 17 years old showed up and started causing trouble, one of them was about to smash the tail-lights of my Mustang with a baseball bat, so I called the cops and luckily a cruiser was around the block. I will never move back to that city despite all it has.

That city is the reason I have no sympathy or mercy for little gangbangers, they are not people to me, not even close. They are scum and I wouldn't mind seeing them publicly executed in the streets for my own entertainment.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:45 PM   #59
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.... I Sleep with a loaded .12 guage shotgun loaded with Birdshot, may not sound to bad but at close range your not likely to survive! And to any one that hurts my family, All i got to say is they got something coming they aint ganna like!
Shotgun with 7 1/2 birdshot and my .357 Magnum revolver within reach of my bed. Wife has a Ruger .45 semiauto.

Sort of a mixed message though, isn't it? One LEO official telling the populace to get armed, one saying not to.

I know which I'd be listening to. The important thing that can keep crime down is if the responsible, non-criminal citizenry are armed in large numbers. Places with "a lot of guns" can be dangerous, but that's if only the criminals have them. Areas of high legal ownership tend to be safer.

I dunno, I think my city's fine. There's almost nowhere in town I don't feel "safe" going. Then again, I was born in Brooklyn.

The downside of home schooling is that it's tough to expect a parent to have the background necessary to teach a wide variety of subjects at an advanced level. The best teachers I ever had were all well-versed in the subject matter, not how to teach per se.

Mind you, I'm not saying many, many public schools in the US aren't garbage, because they are. I went to private schools my whole educational career and found the level of education to be far higher than what I saw the public school kids received.

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Old 12-04-2008, 03:29 PM   #60
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When a gummint urges residents to get a gun and arm themselves it has gotten to the point that the gummint has realized it has passed the point of no return.
Right now it is St. Louis,Memphis,and many other large cities,right now.
It is a sign of hard times to come and those hard times are going to effect all of us.
The GOP has sold out to big business and the DNC wants our guns.
This being said,I believe we are going to have to stand on our own like some folks did on the Big L.A. riot and the police bailed out leaving the citizens to fend for themselves.
Unfortunitly,another sign o' the times,and it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
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