[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

This happens a lot here...

Yep. Even though the poll was unbalanced and biased because it relied on voluntary responses, it only said sixty percent of the troops are worried.

Somehow, Larry's trying to turn that into something like ninety nine percent.

You reckon it's some of this here "new math" I've heared tell of?

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... as opposed to putting an entire country in danger to begin with ala Carter/Clinton by not fighting back when we should? Hey, if you want to bring in previous Presidents when we were only talking about Obama, we can. ... not if, but when he (and the Democrat strong Congress) attempts to go after the 2nd Amendment we will be in an even more sad state of affairs. If he does that, he will never see a second term. ... I only hope I am wrong about his plans for our guns... even you and Troy have a horse in this race ... but you certainly don't sound like it.

I believe the president needs to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We should not have gone to war in Iraq. Point blank. Also should have done more research before going to war in Afghanistan. That's just my opinion, but it may not be the popular.

I also believe you want to find anything to attack Obama on just because you don't like the guy. There are people I'm not too fond of but I don't go around blaspheming their names. I certainly hope CONGRESS (the men and women we all put in office) don't pass a bill that affects the second amendment, but Obama can't do it by himself.

[LarryO1970]

I'll disregard post #41 because it is complete foolishness.

ONLY 60% ARE WORRIED HUH? Kinda like the fuzzy math of your Democrat heavy 18% Congressional approval rating? What ... the numbers only apply to something that goes in your favor?

... Troy, you are just like a typical Democrat, you disregard the military just as your hero John Kerry does.

[LarryO1970]

wow TT, back to Bush bashing ... you couldn't help yourself huh?

[TexasT]

I don't really see how that's bashing.

[LarryO1970]

... funny though, you see me as bashing Obama at the drop of a hat. When you do it to President Bush, it is not.

Amazing...

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

I'll disregard post #41 because it is complete foolishness. ONLY 60% ARE WORRIED HUH? Kinda like the fuzzy math of your Democrat heavy 18% Congressional approval rating? What ... the numbers only apply to something that goes in your favor? ... Troy, you are just like a typical Democrat, you disregard the military just as your hero John Kerry does.

Hey, you're the one who posted the poll that says sixty percent, not me.

Are you disowning it now?

[LarryO1970]

nope ... are you going to defend your Congressional 18% approval rating any different than the defense of my 60% worried about Obama?

... knowing you, you will say it is completely different and attempt to come up with your own "fuzzy math" to justify it.

Since you obviously do not believe me or any other active duty military member here, ask around ... get their opinions... draw your conclusion from that.

[TexasT]

Saying that someone needs to know when to hold em and fold em is not bashing. Obama needs to know how to do the same thing. I just don't think we can go flailing our arms in the air with our eyes closed hoping we can hit somebody that actually did something wrong to us.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

nope ... are you going to defend your Congressional 18% approval rating any different than the defense of my 60% worried about Obama? ... knowing you, you will say it is completely different and attempt to come up with your own "fuzzy math" to justify it. Since you obviously do not believe me or any other active duty military member here, ask around ... get their opinions... draw your conclusion from that.

You're trying to change the subject, and I'm not going along with it. We weren't discussing Congressional approval ratings.

And you can't seem to decide whether the percentage of military worried about Obama is 60 percent (as the poll you posted and defended says), or another number entirely...one that approaches 100 percent.

Make up your mind, Larry. Right now you're arguing just to be arguing, and seem to have lost track of what you started out arguing about. Stop, take a deep breath, and decide what you're actually trying to prove or support.

[LarryO1970]

Look Troy ... you are the one who started this argument. I posted, you argued ... imagine that.

AGAIN, the military is concerned about Obama. GET IT !?

AGAIN :

Since you obviously do not believe me or any other active duty military member here, ask around ... get their opinions... draw your conclusion from that.

You will argue everything all the time for the sheer fun of it. Are you going to actually do this... or just prolong the argument?

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Look Troy ... you are the one who started this argument. AGAIN, the military is concerned about Obama. GET IT !? You will argue everything all the time for the sheer fun of it.

I agree that some (maybe even a lot) of the military is worried about Obama; I never claimed none of them were.

But you put entirely too much emphasis on a faulty write-in survey to try to prove it, exaggerated its results, and refused to admit its limitations. And when you got called on it, you reverted to the old, "I'm the one in uniform; I'm the only one here who knows what he's talking about; how dare you question what I say?" routine.

I'm not impressed. And I don't let self-proclaimed experts, prophets, spokesmen or other dispensers of The One And Only Truth shout me down, like you routinely try to do.

[LarryO1970]

Troy ... just who was it that suggested you ask the men and women in uniform? Come on Troy ... you can say it ...

My emphasis is not about the "write in survey" ... my emphasis is for you to ask the men and women to get your answer.

I'm not impressed with you either Troy ... except for your way of twisting everything to conform to your argument ... playing games with words, perceptions and contexts.

[Shaun]

Troy your not going to win this one simply put our Military forces can only talk and give their opinion about the Muslim while he is not officially holding the office and if the article is saying 60% based on the small group I bet they would say a larger percentage with a bigger group. Plus we have the other issue that many of the troups will not re-up while he is in his first term and that will also destroy our military as is did when Klinton was pervert and liar in charge. This is what the enemies to our country have been looking for as our forces will be at their weakest. Why do you think Russia is rearming and wanting to start the cold war again and there have been so many manuevers with Venezuala, Cuba and other countries? All they have to do is to wait for the military ranks to depart.

[Windwalker]

Folks, everybody is worried about what is going to happen in our great Country. I am worried about the Military, the 2nd Amendment, our economy, our energy problems, and our politicians who ignore our Constitution. But, as Scienceman said. Obama has been elected President which also makes him Commander in Chief of the Military. All we can do now is wait and see what he proposes. If we disagree then contact your Senators and Representatives.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Troy ... just who was it that suggested you ask the men and women in uniform? Come on Troy ... you can say it ... My emphasis is not about the "write in survey" ... my emphasis is for you to ask the men and women to get your answer. I'm not impressed with you either Troy ... except for your way of twisting everything to conform to your argument ... playing games with words, perceptions and contexts.

??? You're the one who started a thread about the survey, Larry. Not me. I ask you again: are you disowning it, now?

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Windwalker

Folks, everybody is worried about what is going to happen in our great Country. I am worried about the Military, the 2nd Amendment, our economy, our energy problems, and our politicians who ignore our Constitution. But, as Scienceman said. Obama has been elected President which also makes him Commander in Chief of the Military. All we can do now is wait and see what he proposes. If we disagree then contact your Senators and Representatives.

You're always so sensible.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Shaun

Troy your not going to win this one simply put our Military forces can only talk and give their opinion about the Muslim while he is not officially holding the office and if the article is saying 60% based on the small group I bet they would say a larger percentage with a bigger group. Plus we have the other issue that many of the troups will not re-up while he is in his first term and that will also destroy our military as is did when Klinton was pervert and liar in charge. This is what the enemies to our country have been looking for as our forces will be at their weakest. Why do you think Russia is rearming and wanting to start the cold war again and there have been so many manuevers with Venezuala, Cuba and other countries? All they have to do is to wait for the military ranks to depart.

Shaun, you're throwing out entirely too many unsupported assumptions for me to deal with, including the notion that Russia only started rearming because they saw Obama coming.

I'm not going to debate any of it with you. On top of everything else, I remember that you've worked at trying to run me off this forum in the past, and I'm not enthusiastic about giving you an excuse to start again.

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

??? You're the one who started a thread about the survey, Larry. Not me. I ask you again: are you disowning it, now?

... and I'll say it again just as I did in post #48 ... NOPE. You know... you really need to learn to read, this is getting ridiculous.

... did you get that ... I said NOPE.

... I feel the need to have to repeat myself since you keep on missing what I am telling you.