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Old 01-06-2009, 07:12 AM   #1
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Question Surviving "THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT: REDISTRIBUTING AMERICA'S WEALTH"

THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT: REDISTRIBUTING AMERICA'S WEALTH

"Are Americans responsible for the welfare of everyone in the world? "Obama and Biden think so!" claim many US conservatives. According to conservative activists, there is a clandestine senate bill that awaits signing by President Barack Obama once he's sitting in the Oval Office."

"It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member. Lugar has worked with Obama in the past to promote more foreign aid for Russia, supposedly to stem nuclear proliferation, and has become Obama's mentor. Like Biden, Lugar is a globalist. They have both promoted passage of the U.N.'s Law of the Sea Treaty, for example."

NWV News -- The Global Poverty Act: Redistributing America's Wealth




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Old 01-06-2009, 07:24 AM   #2
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Current status of S. 2433 Global Poverty Act:

S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

And, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out after 1/20/09...
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Wolf In Sheeps Clothing?


The Jawa Report: Obama's Global Poverty Act Bill S 2433 - Wolf In Sheeps Clothing?
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What wealth? How are they going to tax all the unemployed people?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:29 PM   #5
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Eliminating poverty in the rest of the world by creating more of it here is patently rediculous. It's pure theft.

How about we eliminate poverty here through the introduction of honest money free from debt to the globalist Federal Reserve (spit), until we no longer have anybody here in need of a hand out. Then we can stand tall to the rest of the world as an example of what they should do for themselves.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:09 PM   #6
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Juuuust a quick question.

How much have we spent in Iraq and on the bailouts?

Just food for thought, considering I don't actually see anything in this bill about taxing us to flat out pay for "welfare" for anyone.

Here is a link to the bill's full text: OpenCongress - Text of S.2433 Global Poverty Act of 2007

Please show me exactly wherein it says any of the alarmist stuff being spouted on the first linked website.

I see this:

"Millennium Development Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends."

Hmm...you realize that just throwing money at these nations won't actually accomplish any of that, right? Which means if it does pass, we'd have to actually help these states become self-sufficient, right?

Please also note we are already doing a lot of this right now:

"The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.)."

See all those acts listed there? Same thing. Why...look at the year, 2003. Isn't that under Bush's Administration? Does this mean Bush was "redistributing our wealth"? Why, I guess it does.

Wait, wait...more fun:

"In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs.[Struck out->](13) [<-Struck out] (12) In January 2007, the Department of State's Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance. The official goal of United States foreign assistance is: `To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly in the international (14) Economic growth and poverty reduction are more successful in countries that invest in the people, rule justly, and promote economic freedom. These principles have become the core of several development programs of the United States Government, such as the Millennium Challenge Account.system.'."

Sounds like this Director of Foreign Assistance position Condi helped create is just giving our money away in order to "help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly".

So...who here complained when this was all going on already?

Anyone?

Hey, look what else I found:
"Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries."

"Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships."

"Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs."

Why, if that last one doesn't sound like welfare then...oh...I guess it doesn't.

The US currently gives more money (both private and government cash) to "charitable" exercises globally than any other nation. Remember Myanmar recently? We tossed a lot of aid their way. Nobody complained. And someone thinks that directing it so that currently poor, needy countries can become self-sustaining partners in economic activity is a bad idea?

Tsk...silly me to imagine we were past this stuff. So, is this before or after Obama puts you all in camps and aborts all Republican babies?

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Old 01-06-2009, 05:49 PM   #7
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The bill subscribes to the UN Millennium Goals, so I looked up the UN Millennium Goals. They subscribe to other accords, conventions, etc. So now I have to look them all up.

It's a great way to hide a true agenda behind something that looks nice and fluffy on the outside.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:21 PM   #8
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The Global Poverty act also ties the U.S. to a U.N. ban on ownership of small arms. Look that up too. LOL Its there.

And I'm not sure what cleo is all up in arms about... either definition is BAD. More of our money... another 1.something % of GDP to the UN for aid? The sad part is that the UN will give it to Nations that are already rogue dictatorships. I wonder how much Mugabe will get? Maybe they'll make a special deal where Mugabe will kill 1000 fewer people for every billion he gets in aid? Wow, that would be cool.

And I'm so sick of people talking about we're wasting money in Iraq I could choke someone. We spend more on welfare to drug addicts every year than we do in Iraq protecting our troops and building a democracy in a $h!thole part of the world in hopes that we won't have to deal with so many Extremist nutcases in the future.

Turn off your TVs and go outside. Read a book for Christ's sake... educate yourself and get the truth.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:37 PM   #9
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I dont care what the act says or does not say it is still more un bs. I might start to worry about the rest of the world when there is no more need right here at home .....maybe. anything that obligates american citizens to submit to ANY un treaties (such as the small arms ban) is BULL. i don't care how you dress it up it is still BS. I only hope we can make it through the incoming administration without being firmly under UN RULE.
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I can't believe this Chit !!! What a F_ _ _ _ _d up goverment we have !!!
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:11 PM   #11
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It's those crooked, dishonest, power hunger, lying, cheating, etc., etc., people in our government that have made it that way...

...along with the money greedy and power hunger bankers and corporate business folks.

I'd sure like to be a part of a house cleaning project...

...and during our opportunity to vote this past November, my wife and I tried hard to help clean house as we voted.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:26 PM   #12
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This is obviously not our government anymore. It has been hijacked by communist criminals and is trying to lead us monetarily into the NWO as Henry Kissinger talked about on the floor of the stock exchange this week.
In 1991 he said this at the Bilderburger conference. Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond. Whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willing relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being "granted" to them to them by the World Government.
The bailout was the mother of all ponzi schemes, it makes the Madoff scandal look small.
It is being promulgated, they are threatening our very existence, people are starting to plead, and they are evil. They will take your guns, and freedoms and and laugh at you as you and your family die in a trench. That is the change you can believe in.
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:39 PM   #13
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This especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond. Whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil.

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It is being promulgated, they are threatening our very existence, people are starting to plead, and they are evil. They will take your guns, and freedoms and and laugh at you as you and your family die in a trench. That is the change you can believe in.
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I will simply ask who promoted this climate of fear for the past 8 years? Who created the DHS, the TSA, the Patriot Act? Who told us things were so bad we had to stoop to torture? Take off your shoes at the airport. No liquids.

Liberty for freedom huh? Who started us down that road? Not the guy who ain't even in office yet.

If the door is open for this, then the current Administration opened it, and too many Americans let that happen in the name of "patriotism" that was actually base cowardice.

That and we all know what the US really thinks of the UN, even lefties like Obama. We ignore anything they do that we don't want to have to do. We have for quite some time now. That Millenium Goals thing may look nice to them, but the US will likely ignore the parts we don't like. The small arms ban? Good luck even suggesting we allow a group like the UN to dictate internal policy.

Maybe the lesson of the last POTUS will keep us from letting the new one's foibles from getting the best of him. We didn't do enough this last time, did we?

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Cleo, I agree completely, so the right thing for Barry to do is to repeal those " acts" and executive orders that was passed into law. Time will tell us how opposed he is to the Draconian Laws the current Administration has passed. The blame lies on all of the past presidents by gradually dismantling our constitution. I consider JFK and Ronald Reagan to be last of the best.
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This is obviously not our government anymore. It has been hijacked by communist criminals and is trying to lead us monetarily into the NWO as Henry Kissinger talked about on the floor of the stock exchange this week.
In 1991 he said this at the Bilderburger conference. Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond. Whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willing relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being "granted" to them to them by the World Government.
The bailout was the mother of all ponzi schemes, it makes the Madoff scandal look small.
It is being promulgated, they are threatening our very existence, people are starting to plead, and they are evil. They will take your guns, and freedoms and and laugh at you as you and your family die in a trench. That is the change you can believe in.
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That's such BS I'm surprised anyone in his right mind would swallow it. Kissinger never said any such thing. Even if he believed it, do you think he'd be stupid enough to say it out loud?

Ninety percent of the bogus quotes floating around on the internet to push one agenda or another can be shot down with a tiny dose of common sense. This definitely isn't one of the other ten percent...
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Did you see the sponsors? 2 of the sponsors. 2 Republicans that are actually Democrats. They always vote with the Democrats anyways. Democrats that ran/run on the Republican ticket.

Olympia Snowe of Maine and Susan Collins also of Maine.

More importantly and the worst thing about these 2, with the current Democrat majority, and with Franken stealing the Minnesota seat from Coleman, this guarantees the Republicans WILL NOT have the filibuster majority.

Franken will give them 58 Democratic Senators I believe, add those 2 and that gives them 60 which is the filibuster proof majority.
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Quote: DeerSniper...This is obviously not our government anymore.

You are so right !!!...A.H
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:56 PM   #18
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More importantly and the worst thing about these 2, with the current Democrat majority, and with Franken stealing the Minnesota seat from Coleman, this guarantees the Republicans WILL NOT have the filibuster majority.
Stealing? With the level of national scrutiny on that little contest? Unlikely.

Gore didn't beat Bush in 2000 neither. You don't wanna be like those people, do ya?

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Exactly what does this topic have to do with survival?
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:11 PM   #20
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That's such BS I'm surprised anyone in his right mind would swallow it. Kissinger never said any such thing. Even if he believed it, do you think he'd be stupid enough to say it out loud?
I'm sorry, but that's not quite right. He says it right around the 2:45 mark.

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