Old 01-08-2009, 10:32 AM   #1
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Chains like Pizza Hut and Domino's Pizza have rules forbidding delivery drivers from exercising their right to carry while on the job, even though delivering pizza can be a dangerous job (at least 15 drivers were killed in robberies in 2007.)

That "no Right-to-Carry allowed" policy may be the reason that Pizza Hut driver Eric Devictoria was unarmed when he was robbed at gunpoint in Florida a few days ago. Devictoria had only one thing to use in self-defense: the pepperoni pizza he was supposed to be delivering. He threw the pizza box at his attackers … they fired a gun in return.

Luckily Devictoria wasn't hurt, and police have taken three young men into custody. They're now facing armed robbery charges. Devictoria and thousands of other delivery drivers are facing more dangerous shifts, armed with nothing more than their wits and the pizzas that are the tools of their trade.

If a driver is a licensed Right-to-Carry holder, why not let them carry on the job? Do these corporations really want to explain to the family of a driver who is killed that their defenselessness was actually a good thing?

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Old 01-08-2009, 11:59 AM   #2
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If a family member of mine lost his life while delivering for Pizza Hut, you can bet I'd file a civil suit against the parent corporation based on that policy of no-carry even if you have a CCW! Heck, I'd try to get the District Attorney to arrest them on depraved indifference murder charges! They can read the FBI's crime statistics as well as I can and have to know that delivering pizza can be a risky job, depending on where you are delivering it.

Criminals know that delivery guys have cash on them, and not only folks who deliver pizza, either. And they know about the Pizza Hut corporate policy; it's been in the news often enough. If the suits at Pizza Hut who have no grasp on the realities of what happens at the franchise level won't allow their employees to carry on the job, at the very least they ought to pay for each employee who delivers pizza to have a $1 million life insurance policy for as long as they are employed by Pizza Hut.Paying the premiums on such policies would cost a lot less in the long run than the cost of defending a civil suit for wrongful death. Or of defending senior management against murder charges, for that matter.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:14 PM   #3
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I suspect that their lawyers have told them that allowing employees to carry on the job would open them up to more liability than not allowing it.

Suppose an employee is allowed to carry and in protecting himself he fires a round that hits and kills or injures an uninvolved person. That person or their family will sue claiming that the business should have foreseen that happening and made a rule to prevent it. The injured party had no choice in the matter. They just happened to be sitting in their home watching TV when a bullet came through the window and paralyzed them for life.

If an employee is killed or injured on the job after the company prohibits concealed carry the person or their family can sue claiming that the company policy prevented the person from being able to protect themselves. The company response is:

1. Even if the person had a gun they might still have been injured or killed.

2. The person did not have to work for us. If they didn't like the rules they should have quit.

3. Nobody can foresee a person being the victim of a crime.


I don't know what the legal precedents are for cases like these, but I suspect that the company would be shielded from liability at least a little bit for injuries from robbery, while they would not be shielded from liability at all for injuries caused by their employees. Remember back when Dominoe's used to have a "30 minute delivery or it's free" guarantee? That lasted until one of their employees was running late and caused a traffic accident where another person was killed. The family of that person sued and won big bucks.

Employees are just numbers to big companies. If one is killed, then someone else can be hired to do their job. However, if an employee does something on the job that results in an innocent person being killed, the company is in big trouble.

I don't like the policy and I think it is stupid, but that is my non-lawyer take on it.

OTOH it could be that the guys at the top of both companies are liberals and they dictated the policy, but I don't believe that.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:02 PM   #4
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A Pizza Hut driver here was held up at gunpoint and he pulled his own, legally carried, firearm and shot the perp three times. The perp went to prison last month and the driver went looking for a new job. No one eats at Pizza Hut anymore that I know of.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:09 PM   #5
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i guess if i lived somewhere where i couldnt get a dishwashing job and was forced to deliver pizza i would carry.
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