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Old 01-11-2009, 09:08 PM   #1
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Would this be legal?

I was just thinking and this thought came to mind. If you gave a machinist a frame or receiver to duplicate. Then buy and add the parts to make a working gun. Would this be illegal? Just a thought no intentions on doing so. Thanks
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:48 PM   #2
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Change just enough to not infringe copyright.. Making a gun in and of itself is not illegal to my knowledge..
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:03 PM   #3
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According to Mooseman you CAN make a firearm. It cannot fall into the BATF banned firearm list. It cannot be full auto. The 1911's patent expired long ago so you can make 1911 clones. The BATF rules state you cannot sell or give away any firearm you manufactured. It can only be owned by the manufacturer. Upon your death it would have to be destroyed.
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:34 PM   #4
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Quote:       Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll View Post
According to Mooseman you CAN make a firearm. It cannot fall into the BATF banned firearm list. It cannot be full auto. The 1911's patent expired long ago so you can make 1911 clones. The BATF rules state you cannot sell or give away any firearm you manufactured. It can only be owned by the manufacturer. Upon your death it would have to be destroyed.
A 1911 style is exactly what came to mind when I thought of this. Thanks
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:37 PM   #5
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A 1911 style is exactly what came to mind when I thought of this. Thanks
I doubt I'll ever get around to making my own gun. But if I did, the chances of my son destroying it upon my death would be somewhere between slim and none...
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:44 PM   #6
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I doubt I'll ever get around to making my own gun. But if I did, the chances of my son destroying it upon my death would be somewhere between slim and none...
lol Ya I would say that would be a problem for a lot of us.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:50 PM   #7
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Besides, how likely would A) the BATFE be to pursue a one-off gun; and B) the local law enforcement professionals be to know the law on homebuilt guns?
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Besides, how likely would A) the BATFE be to pursue a one-off gun; and B) the local law enforcement professionals be to know the law on homebuilt guns?
I dunno; the BATF gets weird sometimes. Remember the guy who was convicted of having a full auto gun because he lent another guy a semi, and it malfunctioned?

I could really see them dumping heaps of money, time and effort into making a criminal out of some poor schmo who was holding onto his dad's homemade gun as a family heirloom...their priorities can get very strange.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:22 AM   #10
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Its the same idea behind people making AK's out of kits and AK receiver flats, or buying 80% AR lowers...
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:15 AM   #11
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Well a homemade does not have to be registered, so how the heck would teh ATF even know it existed if your son or daughter or whatever were to take possession of said firearm prior to your demise? If any questions arose, the heir could conceivably claim that it was built by said heir with minor assistance from the parent. The government would have absolutely no way of knowing when it was built really.

I have been thinking of building my own AK and AR one-offs out here in the PRK...

The AK would not be too hard, jigs and flats or 80% receiver sans serial maybe. Have a press and everything else I'd need for sure.

AR... dunno...
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:20 AM   #12
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Oh, and your Machinist buddy cannot legally make the firearm and give it to you (as far as I know...). He could however provide considerable assistance in the building of the firearm.

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So would making a gun for your own use mean you are not "manufacturing" firearms, but making one and transferring it to someone else would?
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:28 AM   #14
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I believe this is true, however I will try to find the exact state (Ca) and Federal statues regarding this and post here.
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:12 AM   #15
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If you obtain a manufacturer's license, it will take care of all the little problems discussed here. Anything built, that needs to have an ID number affixed, would be considered a manufactured firearm. The stripped lower reciever of an AR is considered the firearm, because it is the only part with the serial number.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:32 PM   #16
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms...f-firearms.pdf

For personal use and not for resale or distribution, you do not need an Manufacturer's license.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/building_a_firearm.pdf
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:42 PM   #17
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So in other words, you can make it yourself without a license, you can not pay someone else to make it without a license.

I have read that it is not true that it must be destroyed. It would be fair to say it can not be sold.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:49 PM   #18
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Thats some interesting info.
I had a friend who had a Sten
9mm carbine and talked about
having a reciever built for it.
He had everything but the reciever.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:50 PM   #19
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As a blast from the past, what about the 'zip' guns that precursors to our modern gansta's made from car antennas and firing .22 RF ammo? The things were crude, but suppposedly worked when they didn't blow up. Or is that just some old urban legend?
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