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No, we already fought and lost that war.
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Maybe, depends on how it is changed.
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Yes, regardless of the changes.
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06-27-2009, 01:41 AM
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#101 | | Firearm Zealot
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Leaving a dying country is a bad thing, but staying in and dying a slow progressive death while losing our liberty is a good thing? I don't get the logic. When did the Constitution become a suicide pact? If I wanted to live in the USSR or Cuba I would have found a way to move there.
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Originally Posted by one in the pipe  | only sounds stupid to you troy . Sometimes drastic measures must be taken to stop unruley children from playing in the knife drawer. | I seriously doubt it only sounds stupid to me, guys. In fact, there's a very good chance the only people it doesn't sound stupid to are the ones who are saying it....  | |
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#103 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by troy2000 | Explain this to me again; I just don't get it. You're loyal Americans who love your country. So you're going to secede, split America up, weaken it and start your own country, because you love America so much?
C'mon. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? | America was founded on values of freedom and states rights and if whoever is in charge does not stand for those values then it would be considered patriotic to help protect and preserve those values even in the possibility of seccession and war.
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Originally Posted by JG12gauge | America was founded on values of freedom and states rights and if whoever is in charge does not stand for those values then it would be considered patriotic to help protect and preserve those values even in the possibility of seccession and war. | I'm sorry. No matter how you spin it, secession and war are treason-- not patriotism.
Anyone who thinks he could muster broad public support for such a move is living in a dream world; I don't care how recidivist he thinks his southern state is.
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06-27-2009, 02:31 AM
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#105 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I see how it could be treason if the people who wanted to secede were going against the founding beliefs of a country but if the leader of a country is destroying the founding values and morals of a country it is right and patriotic to secede. Are you saying that if the government decided to take away your guns and freedom of speech you would not go to war with them?
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06-27-2009, 09:09 AM
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#106 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Ok guys lets end this thread what do you say ? We all know that you can't talk a dog into being a horse so as for me I'm out on this one .
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Originally Posted by Cyrano | I certainly do, especially if the jerks succeed in calling the convention and the leftists currently running the Demoncratic Party get to appoint the delegates. Can you imagine a Consitutional Convention with delegates like Sarah Brady, Carolyn McCarthy, any Kennedy (all of them are anti-gun), or Slick Willy Clinton in it?
The only thing that would save us then is if enough states voted NAY on the new constitution. So let's look at it from the point of view of stopping the nanny-staters.
50 divided by 4 equals 12.5; or rather, 13 states for the purposes of this discussion. Say 14 or 15, to be sure of stopping their socialist nonsense. And fortunately, each state's vote counts the same, whether it's a tiny, densely populated state like Rhode Island or a huge, sparsely populated state like Alaska. No matter how much money the nanny-staters pour into propaganda, as a nation we tend to be conservative and cautious about altering existing institutions. The salvation of our nation would be in the states that voted for McCain in the 2008 election. That's more than 15 states.
Let's just hope this nightmare never comes to pass; for if it does I very much fear that our already-polarized nation will splinter into the Peoples Democratic Republic of Obama (the blue states north of the Mason-Dixon Line); the New Confederacy (the Southern states that fought the Civil War, plus Florida and less Texas); the Texas Republic (Texas plus Oklahoma and possibly New Mexico); the Free United States (everything west of the Mississippi and north of Texas and east of the Rockies); the Free State of Nevada; the Kingdom of Deseret (Utah and Arizona); the Peoples Democratic Republic of California (less the northern counties); Ecotopia (the northern California counties plus Oregon, Washington State, and Idaho); the Kingdom of Hawaii; and the Republic of Alaska. And if that happens, I think I'll be getting a divorce, learning to say "y'all" and becoming either a Confederate or a Texan. | I know you are theorizing, but if this should ever come to be true, I would have to leave Pennsylvania, where I was born and bred, and move to the South, where I have lived considerably and fallen in love with the people and the culture. I suspect other individuals who would be "caught" north of Mason-Dixon might do the same.
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#108 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by JG12gauge | I see how it could be treason if the people who wanted to secede were going against the founding beliefs of a country but if the leader of a country is destroying the founding values and morals of a country it is right and patriotic to secede. Are you saying that if the government decided to take away your guns and freedom of speech you would not go to war with them? |
that is exactly what i have been saying .... if America is no longer America why be an American ?
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Originally Posted by knightRider | that is exactly what i have been saying .... if America is no longer America why be an American ? | You might be slightly exaggerating America's problems. What we have today is nowhere what I've seen before, even in just my lifetime. Were you around for the civil unrest in the sixties? The wage and price freezes by Nixon? The raging inflation under Carter?
It's just plain silly to be running around claiming this isn't America anymore less than six months into a new president's term, so you need to leave. Have a little faith in your country, and your countrymen.
It's equally silly to believe there's going to be a new Constitutional Convention, and all our rights are going to be taken away from us. That's just chain email-level paranoia.
Relax, folks. It isn't the end of the world yet.
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#110 | | Firearm Zealot
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i think the re-writing of the Constitution is a bad idea. I like it the way it is and as long as it stays the way it was meant to be I will be an American .
NOW if and I mean IF the Constitution or the bill of rights is constrained < those are obamas words> I will not be a happy American ........
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Originally Posted by knightRider | i think the re-writing of the Constitution is a bad idea. I like it the way it is and as long as it stays the way it was meant to be I will be an American .
NOW if and I mean IF the Constitution or the bill of rights is constrained < those are obamas words> I will not be a happy American ........ | I've never heard Obama say he wants to constrain the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. I'd like to see the quote, if you have a link.
On the other hand, If you're referring to Obama's comment that Al Queda isn't constrained by the Constitution and we are, that's common-sense truth. It hardly means he personally feels 'constrained,' and wants to get rid of it.
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took me like 30 mins to find it but here is the video listen to second 35 to 50 there it is BAMMMMM up another notch. Gun BaN Obama
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Originally Posted by knightRider took me like 30 mins to find it but here is the video listen to second 35 to 50 there it is BAMMMMM up another notch. Gun BaN Obama | That says it all right there.
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#114 | | Firearm Aficionado
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In my opinion if they intend to rewrite the constitution it will be time to secede because America was founded on the constitution and if they plan to destroy our constitution it will no longer be America.
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I believe we should clarify it rather than a complete rewrite. Adding term limits and putting more limits on the power of the federal govt would be a good start. They are allowed to do anything not strictly forbidden in the present constitution. I think having to ask the states for permission before doing something not mentioned would be another good idea. If they had to ask our states for permission before taking over banks, insurance companies, car companies, GE, and the broadcasting companies would be a good idea.
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This thread has gone beyond dumb.
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Originally Posted by knightRider took me like 30 mins to find it but here is the video listen to second 35 to 50 there it is BAMMMMM up another notch. Gun BaN Obama | No. Obama did not say he wants to constrain the Constitution in that clip; listen to it again. He said rights guaranteed by the Constitution are not unconstrained ones, subject to no control by the states.
He's right. do I really have to go through the whole rigmarole about shouting fire in a crowded theater, shooting birds off your neighbor's window ledge, and all that?
Quite obviously, no right is an unfettered one; they're all constrained to a certain degree.
Actually, you should be happy about what he said. Because although he may want to draw the lines a lot tighter than you or I would, he got the basic idea. I believe that's the first Democratic leader I've heard who actually said gun ownership is an individual right.
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#118 | | Firearm Zealot
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we must be watching a different speech .... i know from his voting record and the company he keeps what he is all about.
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Originally Posted by knightRider | we must be watching a different speech .... i know from his voting record and the company he keeps what he is all about. | Well, in the speech you linked to, Obama said that as a general principle he believes the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. And he said it before the Heller decision was handed down, when all the other Democratic politicians were backing DC and claiming it was a group right.
Then he said rights granted by the Constitution can be constrained by the states. He gave private property as an example: we have a right to own it, but local governments can enact zoning ordinances telling us what we can build on it. He's right there, too.
No matter what rights we're exercising, there's always a line drawn we can't go beyond. We've never had completely unconstrained rights to do what we damn well please, regardless of public safety, public good and the rights of others.
So he has the general idea down pat. The worry is about where he thinks the lines should be drawn....
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