As all of you know, a call has been issued for a Third Constitutional Convention. The call was originally issued during the 1980's by conservatives and libertarians to more clearly define the limits on government that our current Constitution places. What they did not anticipate is that the call would take 20 years to fill and that and that liberals would have control of Congress when it was. As we will soon see, our predecessors have unleashed a monster more dangerous than any foe our nation has ever faced.
So what exactly happened? Under Article V of The Constitution of The United States, any state may issue the call for a Constitutional Convention. Once 2/3rds of all the states have issued such a call, the Convention will convene. Also, it is the United States Congress, or rather the majority party, that has the power to appoint delegates to said Convention; not the states themselves. The Constitution itself does not say much beyond this, but at least two things can be inferred from the history of our country. The first would be that once a call is started, it stays 'open' until 2/3rds of the states agree. The second would be that a state does not have the authority to rescind its call. Several states, including Georgia, have voted in favor of rescinding their calls. But it is doubtful that any branch of the Federal Government will in any way validate those rescissions. I say this because the American Civil War was, regardless of what you were taught in school, fought over whether or not individual states had the right to nullify previous votes they had issued in regards to the Constitution (which by the way Ammendment X clearly says they do) and relations with the Federal Government as a whole. Currently, 34 states must issue a call for a Constitutional Convention in order for it to convene. Assuming that the previously mentioned recissions will not be validated, the tally currently stands at 32.
So how bad can it get? The Convention can't just chuck our current Constitution in the waste-basket, right? Wrong! When the call for the Second Constitutional Convention was issued, it's intent was to more clearly define The Articles of Confederation (1776-1787). Very similar to our current call of more clearly defining The U.S. Constitution. In fact, several states passed resolutions that banned their delegates from discussing anything other than more clearly defining The Articles. But the first act of the Second Convention was to make all actions from that point on until the conclusion of the Convention SECRET! The second act was to render The Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID!
So the call will be filled, probably while there is a Democratic majority in congress. Which means they will pick liberal delegates. Meaning the left will have a perfectly legal means of doing what they have tried to do for decades, re-write our entire Constitution into a document beyond recognition.
My question is, what will Georgia do? Are we willing to secede and fight, or will we crouch down beside our masters and lick the hand that feeds us?
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Well I am not from Georgia but I'll fight. one question. The way I understand it, if a constitutional convention were to be convened and the constitution was altered.... 2/3 of the states would still have to ratify before the changes could take effect........am I Wrong?
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Well, yes and no. Actaully 3/4ths of the states would have to ratify it, currently 38 states. The states would either vote up or down or decide to table the issue. In states that there is a clear majority one way or the other, it would be voted on. The others, it would be tabled until a clear majority could revive it and vote on it.
But the caveat is this. The only real precedent we have for this is Amendment XXVII. The bill / ammendment was proposed in Congress in 1789 as part of the 'Bill of Rights', but was not ratified until 1992. The way procedure is now, the proposal stands until it either passes or every state has a chance to vote on it. In other words, as the numbers are now, if all 50 states vote and there are not 38 'yeas', the issue is dead. Otherwise it could go on for decades, centuries even. Unless the Convention and/or Congress place a ratification deadline (see Coleman vs. Miller, 307 U.S. 433).
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I certainly do, especially if the jerks succeed in calling the convention and the leftists currently running the Demoncratic Party get to appoint the delegates. Can you imagine a Consitutional Convention with delegates like Sarah Brady, Carolyn McCarthy, any Kennedy (all of them are anti-gun), or Slick Willy Clinton in it?
The only thing that would save us then is if enough states voted NAY on the new constitution. So let's look at it from the point of view of stopping the nanny-staters.
50 divided by 4 equals 12.5; or rather, 13 states for the purposes of this discussion. Say 14 or 15, to be sure of stopping their socialist nonsense. And fortunately, each state's vote counts the same, whether it's a tiny, densely populated state like Rhode Island or a huge, sparsely populated state like Alaska. No matter how much money the nanny-staters pour into propaganda, as a nation we tend to be conservative and cautious about altering existing institutions. The salvation of our nation would be in the states that voted for McCain in the 2008 election. That's more than 15 states.
Let's just hope this nightmare never comes to pass; for if it does I very much fear that our already-polarized nation will splinter into the Peoples Democratic Republic of Obama (the blue states north of the Mason-Dixon Line); the New Confederacy (the Southern states that fought the Civil War, plus Florida and less Texas); the Texas Republic (Texas plus Oklahoma and possibly New Mexico); the Free United States (everything west of the Mississippi and north of Texas and east of the Rockies); the Free State of Nevada; the Kingdom of Deseret (Utah and Arizona); the Peoples Democratic Republic of California (less the northern counties); Ecotopia (the northern California counties plus Oregon, Washington State, and Idaho); the Kingdom of Hawaii; and the Republic of Alaska. And if that happens, I think I'll be getting a divorce, learning to say "y'all" and becoming either a Confederate or a Texan.
There are a few things that have changed since the last time. We not only have industries here this time, we also have oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear power. Another thing that is different is the lack of men to fight on the other side. Why would they want to fight? What would secession have to do with them? What would the feds do, bring back the draft? That would go over real well. Where there is no resolve to fight there can be no victory.
By the way I am in favor of a constitutional convention. I am not in favor of secession, at least not right now. I hope it never comes to it, but if it does I am for Georgia.
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There are a few things that have changed since the last time. We not only have industries here this time, we also have oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear power. Another thing that is different is the lack of men to fight on the other side. Why would they want to fight? What would secession have to do with them? What would the feds do, bring back the draft? That would go over real well. Where there is no resolve to fight there can be no victory.
By the way I am in favor of a constitutional convention. I am not in favor of secession, at least not right now. I hope it never comes to it, but if it does I am for Georgia.
I would be for Georgia as well. I'm from Georgia originally not Oklahoma. I have a certain fondness for my home state and would support it over almost anything there is currently. Remember it is not nicknamed the Empire State of the South for no reason.
There are a few things that have changed since the last time. We not only have industries here this time, we also have oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear power. Another thing that is different is the lack of men to fight on the other side. Why would they want to fight? What would secession have to do with them? What would the feds do, bring back the draft? That would go over real well. Where there is no resolve to fight there can be no victory.
By the way I am in favor of a constitutional convention. I am not in favor of secession, at least not right now. I hope it never comes to it, but if it does I am for Georgia.
The opptimist in me says that a con-con could be very good for us, that we could reign in our government and reinstill checks and balances to Federal power.
But then the realist in me says that the truth is that with Stanistic, Nanny-Staters on the left and Feudalistic Barons on the right, no matter who is in power we would see our personal liberties disappear.
The resolve to fight is gone for most, but not for people like you and me. I also hope that we never have to take up arms against any one in the defense of our lives or liberties, but if I believed in the good of society and man and that I would never have too, I would not own a gun. It is similar to this, I hope that I never have to use my firearms in defense of my home or familly, but I still own a gun in case I ever do.
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troy....what has changed is the fact we are no longer a agricultural based economy, we still believe in family , God, an country( you cali ppl should take note). plus ...even tho we were way outnumbered an equiped we still gave the north a run for thier money( you westerners pretty much acted like switzerland an stayed neutral....whodathunkit?)an no offence dood...but i still find it hard to believe your a liberal who's not merely here to cause kaos . is it me are the only post you make are in the political area ? can you actually load a round an shoot it without danger to you an other around you?if yes my hats off to you an my whole preconcieved idea about the antis an the left are soooo screwed, but i sincerly doubt it.
troy....what has changed is the fact we are no longer a agricultural based economy, we still believe in family , God, an country( you cali ppl should take note). plus ...even tho we were way outnumbered an equiped we still gave the north a run for thier money( you westerners pretty much acted like switzerland an stayed neutral....whodathunkit?)an no offence dood...but i still find it hard to believe your a liberal who's not merely here to cause kaos . is it me are the only post you make are in the political area ? can you actually load a round an shoot it without danger to you an other around you?if yes my hats off to you an my whole preconcieved idea about the antis an the left are soooo screwed, but i sincerly doubt it.
So you've been on Gun and Game for six whole days, and now you're the resident expert on Troy2000: what he believes, what he does and where he posts? I don't think so, son. You're letting your mouth outrun your ... well, you get the idea.
I've been here for four-plus years; I'd say most of the regulars have seen pictures of my guns, and of me shooting them. Matter of fact, I'd say there's a pretty good chance (no guarantees, mind you) that I own more guns than you do, and shoot them more often. And if your aim with your guns isn't any better than your aim with a keyboard, I can probably outshoot you, too. Get your facts straight before you get in my face again, OK?
Back to the subject: you may as well stop daydreaming; your talk of Georgia seceding is nonsense. Ain't gonna happen. And if it did, it would be put down in a matter of hours, not days. Lincoln didn't have air transport and Interstate Highways.
As far as God, family and country goes, I'm not surprised you believe in them. But what consistently amazes me about hicks is that for some reason, they think they're the only ones who do.
hey now troy don't start calling Ga folks hicks . I don't call cali people tree huggers because there not all tree huggers i never would have thought you would throw out a stereo type like that TROY . Ga has more good people than bad how many of you can say that about your state?
More gun owners then not
More god fearing then not
More careing for their neighbors than not
More independent than not
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hey now troy don't start calling Ga folks hicks . I don't call cali people tree huggers because there not all tree huggers i never would have thought you would throw out a stereo type like that TROY . Ga has more good people than bad how many of you can say that about your state?
More gun owners then not
More god fearing then not
More careing for their neighbors than not
More independent than not
I didn't say all the people in Georgia are hicks, knightrider. I said people who run around saying they believe in God, family and country, but think that people in California don't, are hicks. Obviously, the boy needs to get out and around more...
Folks, I would rather fight a war against Russia or any foreign country rather than draw a bead on a U.S. Citizen who was trying through force to curtail my rights to live by the Constitution of our Country but I would fire the shot for freedom.
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