Old 01-24-2009, 10:01 PM   #1
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ammo registration/id laws

I saw on another site where Indiana has adopted some ammo id/registration laws. Anyone have any info on them?
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Old 01-25-2009, 01:05 AM   #2
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I've not seen or heard anything about this at all.

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Old 01-25-2009, 01:36 AM   #3
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House Bill 1260
http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Authored by State Rep. Crawford from Indianapolis

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Old 01-25-2009, 01:59 AM   #4
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No one has adopted yet as far as I know. The states in red, from/at the above link, have a bill proposed though I believe?
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Old 01-25-2009, 02:08 AM   #5
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Yeah, with the legislation listed below the map. I can't find out any details on where it's at as far as being voted on (for Indiana) though.
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Old 01-25-2009, 10:13 AM   #6
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Old 01-25-2009, 10:35 AM   #7
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We all need to contact our politicains and stop just saying we need to I'm gonna type up a draft to have ya'll send out both by Email and by Regular mail.
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Old 01-25-2009, 01:44 PM   #8
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Letter Im gonna send to my Congress man Please add to or proof read
To whom it may concern,

As a leader of this great country I hope you take time and read this letter. We the people run this country you are our employee please never forget that. If you disregard this letter you have failed in doing your job. We put you there to represent us all of us, with over 30 million REGISTERED LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS gun owners in the United States of America you have your hands full.

The recent political turmoil has prompted me to voice my opinion on the stance of many laws and bills that are in the works or will be pushed into new laws in the future. The second Amendment states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” As we can all attest to the fact this can be interpreted in many ways this is the bottom line. I myself am a member of a great militia, The United States of America. Selective Service requires ALL MALES between the ages of 18 and 44 to register in times of need we can ,will, and have been called to service in defense of our great nation. I’d say that’s well regulated be the government. This would also allow for regular citizens of organizations such as the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and other similar organizations who pledge to uphold the constition of the United States of America. These are well organized groups with military training nationally recognized.


BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITYOF A FREE STATE.” This is just exactly what it means this provides for its citizens the right to defend themselves, their homes, their families, with firearms from criminals, rapist, murderers, and yes the government. This is how our great nation got its start lest we forget. If you are reading this message then we as citizens respect you for you are doing you job to those who threw this letter away this is exactly why we have this in our Constitution.
The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” No, this does it say the government will provide, store, or issue these weapons. Not be infringed ,the government shall not infringe on any lawful man, women, or child from the ability to defend himself from others. Infringed means any attempt of the government to keep arm’s, ammunition, or components from its lawful citizens by means of restrictions, regulations, or taxing!

This is my definition of the 2nd Amendment of the United States of America. The issues I will mention below are the reason for this definition of the 2nd amendment.


Requiring all Ammunition for handguns and “assault weapons” to be coded. This bill that varies from state to state, basically says that they will require all ammunition sold for use in handguns, or “assault rifles” be coded on the bullet to trace who originally purchased the ammunition. While I am against the use of guns any sort of violence other than self defense, and would also like to make it easier for the law enforment departments to catch criminals this is a wishful proposition at best. I for one own pistol caliber carbines such as a 38/357, 9mm and .22lr. This law would state that this is for use in a hand gun while it is not for use in a hand gun but a rifle (not an “assault rifle”) I also have rifles that use so called “assault rifle ammunition” that will not be classifeid as a so called “assault weapon” . This will work the same way in accordance with most bills proposed in states, they must provide me with encoded ammunition for my firearms such as pistols but un-coded ammunition for my rifles. The .22lr is the most popular kind of ammunition shot in the United States of America in rifles. Also this law would just create a huge black market for ammunition and the marks can be easily removed from bullets as easily as criminals remove serial numbers from cars and guns by removing the numbers on the back of a bullet. Many have also said that we would have to turn in our ammo that has not been coded this is my personal property I lawfully purchased they will be trying to acquire. I for one will not stand for that!

The “ASSULT WEAPONS BAN” an assault weapon is a gun designed to fire fully automatic a round that is of moderate power. Many have proposed that all self loading arms be banned this includes many firearms used for everyday hunting actives. “Assault Weapons” according to many are weapons with large capacity removable magazines, with pistol grip or collapsible stocks, and bayonet lugs. Thousand of Americans lawfully own guns with these features and everyday they can somehow contain themselves from committing armed robberies, shooting innocent civilians, and stabbing people in the back with the bayonets on the end of their guns while at bench rest competitions, varmint hunting , and practicing at the range everyday. Recent Natural disasters and riots have shown that high capacity magazines can and will provide any lawful citizen the ability to defend their homes against mass mob’s who are stealing from other businesses and homes in their area. History has proven the governments CAN NOT provide safety for those in circumstances listed above it is up to the citizens to defend themselves.

Some lawmakers suggest that any self-loading firearms shall be all together outlawed, or turned in upon an owner’s death to be destroyed. I purchased these guns lawfully to hand down to my children not to be destroyed I paid money I earned by working at a job that I payed taxes at. My firearms are history and I will hand them down to my children.

History shows very clearly that the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PUTS LAWS INTO EFFECT THEY CANNOT ENFORCE! These laws tend to actually exculate crime.
Below are just two examples.
The 18th amendment to the UNITIED STAES CONSITIUTION, and the Volstead Act
I think we all know what happened with that one.

Title 21-Food and Drugs Chapter 13 Drug Abuse and Prevention and Control could be classified as less than successful since
America has only 5% of the world population but consumes 60% of ALL illegal drugs produced in the world.

1,360,000 Drug Prisoners in America
1.7 million Americans are incarcerated in prisons or jails, more per capita than any other nation.

Nearly 80% of all prisoners in America are for drug related offenses.

Ten million people have been arrested for marijuana since 1965.
The above lets me believe even though we can create laws and enforce them people will get what they want when they want it no matter what the government says.


Its up to you as our leaders to make and enforce rules that police will enforce I would be proud to live in a country that has mandatory punishment for those who do not deserve to have firearms because of past actions and would support it to the very end. All law abiding gun owners want firearms kept from those on the streets who will use them against others without cause they are the ones taking our firearms away from use just as much as the government is.

If you take away guns from law-abiding citizens then only the outlaws will have them. This is not a myth but a constant reality. If you in the government can ensure that a police officer can be at every home in the United States of American to defend it citizens then I will personally turn my guns over to you. This will never happen. If I am ever attacked and unable to defend myself my family or my property I will file lawsuit after lawsuit to the government for not having sufficient arms, equal to or greater than the armed intruder to defend my self or not being able to defend my self because of tax increases mandated by the government because of my financial situation.Financial situations will include my limited practicing ablilty beacuse of increased taxes on ammunition. I will also file lawsuits upon the state of Illinois for not being able to defend myself with a C.C.W. that I may lawfully posses in other states and that criminals will posses anyway regardless of current laws. I will also file lawsuits stating that and all people in America that have armed guards protecting them with any sort or kind of banned weapon be disbanded because All Men Are Created Equal and their life is no more important than mine as stated by the Constitution of the United States.

Thank you for your time reading this and God bless,
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:11 AM   #9
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In a search of the Bills being considered in the General Assembly, no ammo registration bills appear. Don't mean it will not be re-introduced, but appears not to be active at this time. In fact, HB1260 in 2009 deals with "Frivolous litigation".
You can help keep an eye on what your current legislators are up to here:
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Even if there is no such bill active now, chances are there will be. So go ahead and write your Representatives and Senators in on both the State and Federal levels. Let them know ahead of time your feelings on any kind of legislation concerning firearm and ammunition bills that will affect the honest and hard working folks of this/or any state and the country as a whole. I prefer a simple, direct, and to the point approach in writing these folks, but the important thing is that you DO write (even a short e-mail every now and then) because it is your right. You should exercise that right.

In Indiana, this site: Who Are Your Legislators?

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Old 01-26-2009, 12:33 PM   #10
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This bad legislation is an attempt by two individuals to garner a HUGE finacial gain IF this thing is passed. THEY have a supposed 'technology' to do this, but so far, it is VAPORWARE! It is being systematically shot down in every state it has been tried. It is not economically feasible, as said by even the FBI themselves - who would LOVE to have something like this - but it can't be made to work and have the ammo sell for a reasonable price.
Also, the paperwork hassle and huge budget needed by the state will guarentee it's failure - they can't afford this boondoggle with the current budge and economic problems.

This 'bill' is a week-old dead fish.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:46 PM   #11
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As Big Dog stated nothing has changed in Indiana.

I think one reason it keeps coming up is that Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign was a former Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana. Last I heard it was pretty much dead, but who knows I'm keeping watch.
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:33 AM   #12
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Hey, Who would be the best person to contact about this?
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Old 07-16-2010, 11:12 AM   #13
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I consulted George Washington an this is what he said:
A FREE people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient Arms AND AMMUNITION to maintain a status of Independence from ANY who might ABUSE them, which Would include their OWN GOVERNMENT. We won't let them infringe upon our guns so they are going after the ammo. Law makers circumventing the law, becoming lawbreakers doing so.
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:45 PM   #14
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Not everyone believes what Mr. George Washington and the others had believed. Which is why our right is being threatened. But, that is true. they are criminals if you look at it. That'll make for a good argument when I write.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:51 AM   #15
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Unless it is being hid in another bill, it is still dead. If you want to contact your legislator go to:

http://www.in.gov/

click on legislative, then on find your legislator. Find the legislator thats in the General Assembly for your district. It should list email, address, and phone number.


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