This is just a thought, (and for me that could be a desaster LOL ). Ive been thinking about this and just wanted to throw it out to see what otheres thought. It wouldnt be the first time Ive been wrong. So, here we go. There's no dout about it, the economy is a mess. We all know how the media loves a good story(if it's bad news). They hate us Conservetives (Republicicans) and Gun owners and would LOVE to see the downfall of us...Maybe so much as a Nation. There is no dout that they wanted Obama in office. They would do whatever it took to get him in office. Is it possible..just a thought, that things really are not as bad as they are making them out to be? Just think for a moment, Obama comes in, starts withdrawing troops, "Creates " all these job's. cleans up the so called economy mess and in 2012 Wham!! The King gets re elected. In other words, how much are we hearing that is just 100% Bulls-it.If he were able to pull off all these great things that he has prommised, it would be a a landslide vote. Then once in office 2nd tearm, whith the backing of all those who think he saved the world, anything he wanted he would get because the People would belive he's right 100%. THEN..thats when he starts working on taking all of our rights like the 2nd. And dont forget, after he does 2 terms, There's "Billary " he will indorse..and people will stand behind him on that to, because he's so great.
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Obama will not have an easy path to re-election in
the next election. For one thing, he is authorizing 17,000 additional troops for another hopeless, winless disaster in the sand. This time it is Afghanistan rather than Iraq. He will not win in Afghanistan and the resulting bad publicity will make it Obama's rather than Bush's war.
Note our supposed allied power, Pakistan, this week worked out a deal with the Taliban to allow them to control a major valley area in Pakistan. This throws filth upon the ragged legacy of the Bush administration and cripples the Obama administration's anti-Taliban efforts from the get go. Although I am not a big fan of the New York Times their national edition did carry a very detailed story on this matter.
As for Obama's massive bailout we have yet to see it produce any jobs.
What it has produced is another layer of astronomical federal debt without
a clear plan to pay for this debt either interest wise or principle wise.
Obama is making all sorts of decisions but he seems not to be aware he will be judged in the next election not on his intentions but upon his results.
[quote=nathangdad;804436]the next election. For one thing, he is authorizing 17,000 additional troops for another hopeless, winless disaster in the sand. This time it is Afghanistan rather than Iraq. He will not win in Afghanistan and the resulting bad publicity will make it Obama's rather than Bush's war.
It is a coalition war not an american war, So it is not on bush or Obama. He said 17k instead of the 33k that they wanted untill they could give him an outline on what the hell is going on over there. Who says it is hopeless? Have you been over there to see firsthand? if so just say and I will understand your point of view on that. Also it is mostly mountainous area not so much a huge desert like everyone assumes.
Note our supposed allied power, Pakistan, this week worked out a deal with the Taliban to allow them to control a major valley area in Pakistan. This throws filth upon the ragged legacy of the Bush administration and cripples the Obama administration's anti-Taliban efforts from the get go. Although I am not a big fan of the New York Times their national edition did carry a very detailed story on this matter.
This one is simple, It is there government who are we to tell them what to do? They made this deal with the Taliban in hopes of ending the violence with the taliban who kills alot of civilians and cause other problems. Yes I dont think it is progressive but who knows.
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Like I said, it's just a thought. Im sure that most if not all of you will agree that the media is one sided (and it aint our side they are leaning to ). It's got to where I dont watch much new's because like the war, they only tell the parts they want you to hear..never mind the whole truth. Thats why I posted, because I know how they manage their "News". I would take Charley Mansons word for the truth before even concidering some of their words and views. As for the War, to me, it doesnt matter if you agree with it or not. Point is, we are in it, and the worse that we could do would come running home now. For anyone thinking it will get better after we pull out, as Waylon sang in that song.."Wrong". You wont hear that from the meida though. For ANY VETERAN who will take the time to read this, You are My Hero..and THATS the truth.
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Ron, you are right that IF Obama solved the economic crisis he would win a second term by a landslide. However I don't believe this is all contrived for his benefit and I doubt that he will solve the economic crisis. If he truly wanted to solve the crisis he would have given these trillions to the American people requiring that they use it to pay off their mortgages, auto loans, and other debts before any of it could be used to buy anything else. That would have rescued the housing industry, the banking crisis due to making bad loans, and other businesses facing possible bankruptcy because of bad credit debts, thus preventing layoffs and job losses. This would have kept our economy strong and flourishing and allowed our American people to own their homes and autos free and clear.
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Barry has already served his primary purpose - he gave the Liberals total control of the United States Government. Anything else he may accomplish is gravy for them.
He will NOT win a second term - he is no longer necessary to the cause. As the economic situation worsens, his adoring public will 'see the light', and turn on him. They will realise they were used, abused and taken for a ride. They will NOT be pleased! They will revert to what they are - a MOB.
His cohorts and minions will turn on him, and will heartily back and endorse the new 'knight in shining armor' that the Witch Queen, Madame Pelosi, dubs as the Next President.
Barry will simply do the best he can do, to carve his legacy into the bedrock of this nation's history - and destroying the Constitution is as good a way as any.
I don't think you are crazy, but i'm not so sure it has as much to do with President Obama as the supreme leader as it does just generally creating a socialist America. There are many experts who agree that what is currently happening isn't "happening"... its being DONE. The economic crisis was a creation. Its quite funny how no one felt the pinch of a failing economy until our members of government started making the media circuits telling us there was a crisis. After a few weeks of this, then we really did have a crisis.
My concern is that they went too far. They are still saying we're all going to die and suffer greatly. The "hope and change" man isn't offering us any hope at all, just more government control.
... I do believe the media (and Obama himself) are making this out to be a tragedy through colorful wording, doom & gloom statements and a rush to get things done. There are reasons for this ... one might be yours to show that he is the utmost savior for the American people. Another ... is the media used to get this outlook by baiting the people into believing everything they say. Did anyone notice the rash of gun violence that was aired on all of the news channels up to and after Obama's oath? Sounds to me like a "planting" of a seed to get their anti-gun rhetoric warmed up. They need be careful ... Clinton's AWB resulted in a lot of his friends & colleagues getting run out of Washington for that attack.
... I think it's about time that all of the politicians, regardless of party ... look to the American people for their marching orders... since they actually do work for us contrary to their opinions.
... The people are pissed off at Washington, plain and simple... again, regardless of party. The United States Government has flat out forgotten who they work for and do as they please. Case in point ... these "bail out" and "stimulus" packages.
... They'd better figure this out quick because (in my own opinion) the fuse is pretty short with politicians nowadays. Either get it right and do what the people want... or your career is done.
... disenfranchisement is abundant ... but not over the top quite yet. It would not take much more for that last straw...
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LarryO, your right. Everyone I talk to is fed up and ready and waiting for that last straw. How much more treason can Americans stand? We are right back to the Declaration of Independence, where it says we give our grievances to the Government and all we get is more pain from them. They have lost the moral ground to govern us and must be replaced.
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Just the fact that they ramrodded the stimulus bill through Congress etc without people, oh, you know, being able to f*cking read what was in it is, frankly, shameful. The fact that we as the American people do not know exactly what is getting passed is a little scary to me.
As so many others have said, politicians need to re-learn the fact that they work for us, and not the other way around.
Just the fact that they ramrodded the stimulus bill through Congress etc without people, oh, you know, being able to f*cking read what was in it is, frankly, shameful. The fact that we as the American people do not know exactly what is getting passed is a little scary to me.
As so many others have said, politicians need to re-learn the fact that they work for us, and not the other way around.
That how I feel too. Thats why I think maybe not ALL, but a lot of this is 100% BullSh-t foaming from the mouths of the media. Whatever it takes to keep the Jeffersons happy. If he aint a fake, Im a Mid-wife
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ok here is a thought, why didnt they put up that stimulas bill to a national vote of the people? Or why didnt they have the nation vote on whether or not to barrow money from china? I meen really Im sorry but big things like this should be decided by the people not the president!
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Buddy, I for one dont think your crazy !! Seem's like we think alike. As to your question, the reason they didnt put it to a Vote was because ANYTHING "Bammy" wants , they will do what it takes to get it because He's The Great Captian America. Besides , all those zombies who voted for him would vote for the S.P. because The Hero wants it.
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Huh, have any of you really studied the Great Depression, and read the historically proven results of the New Deal (not that absurd "New Deal or Raw Deal" tripe Glenn Beck was fawning over)?
And does anybody see any parallels to the previous administration in all the stuff going on today? For Obama, the crisis is the economy. For Bush, the crisis was 9/11. Obama rammed the economic stimulus bill through congress, Bush rammed the Patriot Act through the same way, and I'm afraid the Patriot Act was a far bigger attack on the Constitution than anything Obama is likely to do in the near future.
What a lot of us need to do is to step back from the rhetorical front lines, and look at the disagreements we have with "the enemy" whichever color they call themselves. You'll never know how to outmaneuver and defeat them until you understand their arguments and see what they actually want to achieve. If you just read off the talking points, nobody will listen to you unless you're on Faux News or the Commie News Network or whatever cable news station you take note of.
And who knows? Maybe once you see what the other side is *actually* up to, you'll see they're not all bad. You can disagree with somebody without assuming they're evil and secretly out to get you.
Just for jollies, I'm gonna see if I can play Devil's Advocate for the original post.
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This is just a thought, (and for me that could be a desaster LOL ). Ive been thinking about this and just wanted to throw it out to see what otheres thought. It wouldnt be the first time Ive been wrong. So, here we go. There's no dout about it, the economy is a mess.
Yup, that's what you get for trusting the rich and buying in to Reagan's "trickle down economics" theory.
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We all know how the media loves a good story(if it's bad news). They hate us Conservetives (Republicicans) and Gun owners and would LOVE to see the downfall of us...Maybe so much as a Nation.
That's a little too pessemistic for me to believe. I mean, they live here too, and many of them are gun owners as well. They have kids they want to see grow up to live in a prosperous country, just like the rest of us. Besides, I simply have a very tough time believing that such a large portion of the US population is "evil".
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There is no dout that they wanted Obama in office. They would do whatever it took to get him in office.
I dunno, they were more than happy to talk about Bill Ayers and Jaramaia Wright and talk about how inexperienced Obama was. Sarah Palin destroyed the McCain campaign, it wasn't just the media.
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Is it possible..just a thought, that things really are not as bad as they are making them out to be?
I remember saying the same thing on when the Patriot Act and Iraq War were being sold... Besides, lets hear you suggesting that when your friends and family have their house's value cut in half and all their neighbors foreclosed on.
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Just think for a moment, Obama comes in, starts withdrawing troops, "Creates" all these job's. cleans up the so called economy mess and in 2012 Wham!! The King gets re elected. In other words, how much are we hearing that is just 100% Bulls-it.
I wouldn't consider an end to the US involvement in Iraqi security, and a stabilized economy Bulls-it, myself. I'd call those successes, and we'd all be wealthier and happier for it.
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If he were able to pull off all these great things that he has prommised, it would be a a landslide vote. Then once in office 2nd tearm, whith the backing of all those who think he saved the world, anything he wanted he would get because the People would belive he's right 100%.
So, you're suggesting that the moment he's saved the nation and been re-elected, his secret Dr. Evil side comes out with a diabolical plan to take your guns and women? Please. Besides, this same argument could be made for ANY president who serves two terms, including our previous one. He was able to do pretty much whatever he wanted in his second term, so he did, and now look where we are.
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THEN..thats when he starts working on taking all of our rights like the 2nd. And dont forget, after he does 2 terms, There's "Billary " he will indorse..and people will stand behind him on that to, because he's so great.
Remind me, why do you think he wants to take away "all our rights" other than he's "a democrat" and therefore "the enemy"? The argument doesn't... make much sense, knowing human nature. Remember, the big argument the democrats were making over the last eight years was that Bush was infringing on every amendment BUT the second. Separation of church and state, right to privacy, right to know what you've been charged with, right to trial by jury, security from unlawful search and seizure, and on and on and on...
Seriously folks, lets get some actual discussion going on in here, rather than just paranoid speculation and me-toos.
O.K., maybe Im crazy for thinking this.. 
