I looked at a Romanian SAR-1 that a buddy of mine picked up about a year ago. He wants to buy something else and asked if I wanted to buy it.
The price seems right, condition is good, but when I tried it out, I noticed the thing fires once when I draw the trigger back, and once when the trigger is released.
Is this normal? Is there a way to turn that on/off?
Thanks for your responses, and thanks for looking deeper "hold my own"-
From what I understand, this is something like a Hellfire Trigger, which is designed to do this, one round goes off when you pull the trigger, the slide comes back, resets the hammer, and if you are still holding the trigger, it lets another one out when you release the trigger. (note, this is not an external device)
It is completely predictable, so it seems just about as safe as any other gun (I keep it pointed at the target for both shots), but it just isn't necessary in my opinion. If I want rapid fire, I can do a bump fire technique.
I saw your thread had 16 views, and no responses so I felt the need to reply. But I've never seen that before in any AK variant. I'll look for some answers for you.
I looked at a Romanian SAR-1 that a buddy of mine picked up about a year ago. He wants to buy something else and asked if I wanted to buy it.
The price seems right, condition is good, but when I tried it out, I noticed the thing fires once when I draw the trigger back, and once when the trigger is released.
Is this normal? Is there a way to turn that on/off?
Please advise?
Definitely Not normal!!! Nor Safe.
Better let someone with experience look at the trigger assembly.
I've had a Romy G AK that would double at times. Turns out the rear of firing pin had begin to mushroom. It was just enough for it to hang up every now and then.I just filed it back flat and fixed problem. Hope this helps...luck
That is very strange and probably illegal since that may constitute as a MG depending on your state. I would definitely get it looked at and that trigger group swapped out.
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I'm still looking for some answers, S_P_P but speaking of legalities. Semi-automatic is one round per pull of the trigger, etc, etc. We know that. But is it just one round per pull of the trigger for it to be legal? Or is it one round per pull AND RELEASE of the trigger?
personaly i would be very weary about a trigger like this, weather it is ment to do it or not, this seems like it is in a legal grey area to me and i dont think it is worth the potential legal hassle...nor do i even really see a use for it.....
I'm still looking for some answers, S_P_P but speaking of legalities. Semi-automatic is one round per pull of the trigger, etc, etc. We know that. But is it just one round per pull of the trigger for it to be legal? Or is it one round per pull AND RELEASE of the trigger?
Wiki's definition of a fully automatic firearm is one which can continue to fire as long as the trigger is held or until it runs out of ammunition.
So technically your gun is not an automatic, however it is very very suspect because, as far as I'm aware, no guns were made to fire in the manner you describe.
I suspect that if you braced yourself good against the recoil and very slowly pulled the trigger you would find a sweet spot and it would promptly eat the whole mag.
It sounds like the parts of the trigger are either worn or have been tampered with. I would be very cautious with this gun. Most likely the feds would say its an illegal mg, and that means jail time. If you buy it then immediately get a new trigger system for it.
The ATF dont give two craps about what WIKI thinks a mg is. They have their own definition and its the only one that counts, unfortunately for us they are not consistent in stating their own definition, so I wouldnt take any chances. They have said in the past that aftermarket trigger parts that do the same thing (pull bang...release bang) are ok, then turned around and said they are MGs after the fact. So my bet is on it being illegal.
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Last edited by soonerborn; 03-05-2009 at 10:49 AM.
Unless of course you live in GA where the state says that a MG is a firearm that fires more than 6 rounds per pull of the trigger... I found that to be a bit odd when reading the laws there.
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I have to agree with everyone else and say something is wrong with that trigger. Neat little invention or malfunction, I'd consider it an unsafe weapon that needs repair. You could never make the weapon safe after one shot. Regardless of your State laws, I highly doubt that a mechanism that makes a weapon unsafable (not a word lol) after a single shot would be legal anywhere. Even a full auto weapon doesnt fire a round as the trigger is released, only pulled.
And thinking about it more I think the act of "one pull of the trigger" would include the action of pulling and releasing the trigger, which in your case fires two rounds. I would almost bet my right hand that this is how the BATFE would see this. It is all part of the act of a single pull of the trigger, starts and ends in the same position (trigger forward).
I am not a lawyer but I like to pretend that I can think like one j/k
__________________ When I can't think of anything original to post I think to myself, 'what would Sprout say?' -PSLMAN
Wiki's definition of a fully automatic firearm is one which can continue to fire as long as the trigger is held or until it runs out of ammunition.
So technically your gun is not an automatic, however it is very very suspect because, as far as I'm aware, no guns were made to fire in the manner you describe.
Actually, legally speaking, full automatic is when it discharges more than one round with each pull of the trigger. It sounds like a two shot burst legally speaking. That can get you 5 years of free room and board and grey jumpsuits. Look at what happened in Michigan to the guy who lent a gun to a friend and it malfunctioned and slam fired a few rounds. He got convicted of transfering a machine gun.
j/k
so I would take the trigger mechanism out until you can replace it.
