[drywallguy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by cjleete

By the way, it was Vlad the Impaler.

Yeah, and I want to defend my home; not torture anyone. Even though some huge sharpened spikes forming a perimeter outside would look pretty cool.

[milproakron]

You should take the same approach that is taken in anti-terrorism practices. Harden the target. If it looks secure enough, they'll find an easier target to hit. If that doesn't work... well, thats what we have guns for.

[one in the pipe]

Wear a necklace made of ears like the dude on Full Metal Jacket . Thats a movie for you youngsters.

[Recon 173]

Just keep a low profile and everything dark. If the looters pass your place by then they get to live. If they come to the front door and try to break into your house, they've earned the 00 buckshot surprise for that night. Remove the bodies to the roadway, place signs around the necks of the dead with the words "looter/burglar" on them and dump them in front of a neighbor's abandoned house. I'll bet that any other looters will be real hesitant about trying any more front doors in your area.

[Seven©]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

not in the south. we hunt we fish and we grow crops.

In the South, we can skin a buck and run a trot-line.

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Recon 173

Just keep a low profile and everything dark. If the looters pass your place by then they get to live. If they come to the front door and try to break into your house, they've earned the 00 buckshot surprise for that night. Remove the bodies to the roadway, place signs around the necks of the dead with the words "looter/burglar" on them and dump them in front of a neighbor's abandoned house. I'll bet that any other looters will be real hesitant about trying any more front doors in your area.

Before you drag them over to an empty neighbor's house...there are a few things that need to be done first.

FIRST, remove ALL the bullets/buckshot from the dead bodies with forceps or a long pair of needle-nose pliers. If you need help finding them use a magnetic stud-finder.

SECOND, DO NOT TOUCH THE BODIES WITHOUT LEATHER GLOVES ON!! After you are done, totally incinerate the gloves and bury the remains of the gloves in the woods (15-20+ miles away), along with the forceps/other tools. The vinyl/rubber gloves can leave prints behind because they mold totally to your fingers and if you touch a moist substance (blood/etc) they'll leave a print. Whatever shoes & clothes you used to place the bodies, dispose of in a permanent manner as well.

THIRD, police your area like a flightline and remove all traces of blood, bone, footprints, drag marks, etc. ABSOLUTELY pick up the spent shotgun wadding & shells...dispose of in the woods several miles (at least 15-20) away. Preferrably in the next county.

Fourth, mow your yard. Put out a healthy dose of fertilizer (cow poop) & then turn on your sprinklers. The stuff will smell like hades, but no dog will trace anything back to your yard. The fast acting nitrogen compounds will remove any leftover evidence in your yard. If anyone asks, you tell them that you figured that after the hurricane was the best time to grow your grass because it'd been very well watered.

Fifth, NEVER tell anyone. Loose lips sink ships.

[Cross Hair]

If its a true SHTF situation and looters were threatening your family & property, its a justified killing that who really cares where its traceable to.

This is why I live on a if SHTF compound... way out, NO neighbors, can see anyone coming for a long ways off... If your here and I don't know why its your bad luck... shtf situation of course.... the dog helps too. My mom and best friend know to head out here if it starts, we can hunker down, fish, hunt and farm. Let the cities go to hell which is where many of them belong anyway. If I was forced to live in the city and shtf, I think we would load up and bug out to a predetermined area. You gotta think short and long term. Water, shelter & food would run out pretty quick in a town full of people, most of whom are good for nothing more than sucking up your supplies and no help in REAL survival situation.

[boomer.hide]

Cross Hair, RIGHT ON

[tlarkin]

If it really gets that bad screw your property, leave the city. If it really gets that bad though I mean something has to cause it. It would have to be from massive infrastructure failures, destruction of government, possible epidemic and/or nuclear fallout. If you get hit with radiation poisoning you better save a bullet for yourself. Be a lot less painful that way.

Truth of the matter is, if you stay and fort up in your home in a situation that really gets that bad, you will die because of it eventually. You are but one man.

If SHTF that bad like you guys like to talk about with this paranoia I am leaving the city and going out into the country where I likely won't run into people. The USA is a very large country.

[Cross Hair]

People that have no survival skills will run rampant and turn to stealing, looting and robbing to stay alive.. that is their only skill at that point, and its sad but thats a good portion of the city I am afraid. I am sure some sort of infastructure would kick in and have soup lines and some sort of order I am sure, but hell with that.

Out here, its a small community of like minded hard working folks that may have miles between their properties, but would all stay connected to make sure families are OK. If SHTF happens water would be a huge issue in the cities. If power gone, pumping facilities eventually go. Dependant on how close to a water source you live this could be a real problem.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cross Hair

People that have no survival skills will run rampant and turn to stealing, looting and robbing to stay alive.. that is their only skill at that point, and its sad but thats a good portion of the city I am afraid. I am sure some sort of infastructure would kick in and have soup lines and some sort of order I am sure, but hell with that. Out here, its a small community of like minded hard working folks that may have miles between their properties, but would all stay connected to make sure families are OK. If SHTF happens water would be a huge issue in the cities. If power gone, pumping facilities eventually go. Dependant on how close to a water source you live this could be a real problem.

Maybe that may work for you. I live in an urban area, and I can guarantee you what will happen. The rich will get out, or hire private security. If looters ever get organized you are in some trouble.

If I were leading the looters I would case your property. Observe you, find your routines and habits. Poison your dogs, and hit you when you least expect it with several distractions going on at once. I like to play war board games, chess, strategy games, and I read war books and watch war movies. I am not saying I am unbeatable, but if I ever did join the military I would want to be involved in tactics. However, the reality of it is I would be in some bunker somewhere maintaining military computers, because that is what I do.

If you live out the in sticks, fort up, if you live in the city and it gets that bad get the hell out. I mean if it got that bad our infrastructures would have failed. No running water, no power, no government. Small governments would form from groups congregating but no one will give power to another peacefully.

If it gets bad enough where the government can't control it you better get the hell out.

Now if it is like rioting that happens for a day or two, which does happen, I would be careful. Molitov cocktails have a funny way of getting on your home/property.

I am not that great at survival. Did boy scouts, did a few training seminars with Recon Marine I know. Learned how to clean wounds and tie truncates, learned how to carry people who are knocked out and still have free hand to defend yourself or use a weapon. The only thing I am not good at is hunting, because I don't have a need to to it. I can catch and clean a fish though so I am sure I could figure out how to butcher an animal and I know the concepts of it. I know I have the will to survive and I know that if SHTF in my neighborhood most of my friends would come to my home to meet up.

[boomer.hide]

How long before the city folk start moving to the rural areas???

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by boomer.hide

How long before the city folk start moving to the rural areas???

In a total melt down, you got a few months I would say.

[Cross Hair]

Depends... I agree tlarkin folks would start spreading in matter of months, I would venture that there would be an initial flee, not rural, but going towards other family members in dif cities. Then folks would probably organize a little until supplies were zapped, then the move for "greener" pastures would start. Within 6 months I imagine only the ill, destitute, hopeless & whatever "authority" that runs the city would be left. I think being about 25 miles out in either direction from large cities is far enough to insulate us from most threats. Plus being off major roads we wont attract much attention.

[Cross Hair]

I read a few urban survival manuals years ago and did a bit of training in the army on the subject too. I was NCOIC of hurricane preparedness for the US Army in Hawaii. Of course in the Army we had lots of cool gear for all of these problems. I had to help inspect and setup shelters on all the Army installations in Hawaii. IF I did live in the city I would probably try to setup a network with my neighbors to "regulate" our neighborhood and work together. tlarkin, believe me, if you had too, you would figure out how to butcher an animal real quick! Preserving the meat can be the real challenge if you take big game. Leading the looters can be a dangerous job! LOL... you have to remember that yes, their would probably looters, but hopefully everyone would just try to remember that we are all Americans once the initial panic subsides. Probably be more like pioneer days but with raiders not indians.

[boomer.hide]

Hopefully the six feet of snow will keep them out

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cross Hair

If its a true SHTF situation and looters were threatening your family & property, its a justified killing that who really cares where its traceable to. This is why I live on a if SHTF compound... way out, NO neighbors, can see anyone coming for a long ways off... If your here and I don't know why its your bad luck... shtf situation of course.... the dog helps too. My mom and best friend know to head out here if it starts, we can hunker down, fish, hunt and farm. Let the cities go to hell which is where many of them belong anyway. If I was forced to live in the city and shtf, I think we would load up and bug out to a predetermined area. You gotta think short and long term. Water, shelter & food would run out pretty quick in a town full of people, most of whom are good for nothing more than sucking up your supplies and no help in REAL survival situation.

Short of nukes, eventually people tend to restore civilization. Temporary SHTF like Hurricanes/Torndoes, within a few weeks cops will be the first ones on scene. And as we saw in New Orleans, they'll shaft ya given half a chance if it's a heavily Democrat city. Cover your bacon bits.

In Most States the bad guys actually have to be inside before you can shoot. Shooting thru the door is going to be frowned upon by the DA's. You can wait until they are halfway in a window, then blast 'em.

[DWFan]

Posting a warning that the occupants are armed does nothing but let the invaders know they need to be armed and have superior numbers. Any advantage of surprise you might have is gone. Windows are your weakness. While bars will slow them down, electrified hardware cloth or heavy screen wire on the inside will stop them even if they break the glass. You don't have to turn on the juice until the threat is real.

[Dickie d]

Why worry? Obama will ride up with a new stimulis package!

[TGF]

The way I see it looters are a good thing they are like a meat delivery services. 1 bullet eat for a week at least. You can turn the really fat looters into diesel and meat. Human its whats for dinner.