[lefty o]

yes the OP had a tantrum, but it doesnt mean everyone has to turn it into a joke- you'd think a moderator could behave himself a little better!

[TGF]

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

the answer is simply ...NO! not possible....you'll need a scope with 1/8" click an thats at least $1000-1300.i have over $2000 in a .308 sendero and its still a 500-1000 yd. gun at best(i can knock down the steel plates at 500 yards but it takes my buddy to be able to hit at a 1000 with it)

Hey rock thats good to hear, i have about 2300 in my M1A and I was thinking it was about a 1k yard gun at best with a spotter.

[samuel]

Sorry if I displeased you LeftyO,I'll try to kiss your ass from now on.I know how highly important you and your way of running things are.Please keep posting how you really feel about the rest of the world.How can it change to your ways if you don't tell everyone to do it your way?Again,I apoligise. sam.

[rondog]

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by lefty o

yes the OP had a tantrum, but it doesnt mean everyone has to turn it into a joke- you'd think a moderator could behave himself a little better!

Lefty 0 - Your two posts here were unneccessary. There was no way to answer this guy, sooooo.....a little humor was injected for the sake of levity. Is that so hard to understand? Many of the drier posts could use a little humor. Normally I find your contributions to be more positive. I was surprised at you here.

Drinks at my house: Cadets in the kitchen for soft drinks, BIG BOYS round in back by the still where cussin and spittin is allowed. IF you go to the wrong place, don't be offended, just correct your geography.

Tom

[Cyrano]

So the consensus here, based on our collective decades of experience with shooting, handloading, gunsmithing and firearms modification, is that Justogo's 2,000 yard MOA rifle for $1,000 is an impossibility. It appears that it might just barely be possible for him to make a 1,000 yard MOA rifle if he was incredibly lucky at the gun show with both rifle and glass.

To put Justogo's quest for a firearm that will hit MOA at one mile into perspective, permit me to offer these facts.

3. The third longest confirmed sniper kill was made by Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, USMC, in 1967. Hathcock used a specially modified and scoped Browning M2 .50 caliber heavy machine gun to make a kill at 2,460 yards, or 1.397 miles.

2. Master Corporal Aaron Perry of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry made a kill in 2002 using a .50 caliber BMG MacMillan Brothers TAC-50 rifle at 2,525 yards, or 1.435 miles.

1. Corporal Rob Furlong of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry holds the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill. In 2002, using a .50 caliber BMG MacMillan Brothers TAC-50 rifle, Furlong killed an al-Quaida soldier carrying an RPK machine gun who was walking at the time. The range was 2,657 yards, or 1.509 miles.

I think that settles the caliber question. To make such a rifle, the caliber must be .50 BMG or better. I suppose we can't exclude some of the anti-matériel guns meant to be fired from bipods that the South Africans have devised, that are chambered for 20mm and 30mm cannon shells; but for realistic man-portability, I think .50 BMG is the upper limit.

As to the cost of the rifle: the least expensive .50 BMG on gunbroker.com at the moment is a Grizzly Big Boar LAR that's hovering at around $2,000. The average price for .50 BMG rifles on gunbroker.com is closer to to $4,000.

I'm not especially scope-knowledgeable, so I will defer to other posters in this thread who have said a scope good enough to do the job at 2,000 yards will cost in the vicinity of $3,000. That includes scope rings, of course.

It all adds up to $7,000 for a rifle that will hit at 2,000 yards if you do your part, Justogo. Ammunition for it will start at $4.00 a round for military surplus .50 BMG. I have no idea what custom-tuned .50 caliber ammo will run you, but we can safely assume it will be more than that. You would have to be very rich to become proficient with such a rifle, even if you work your way up to it and out to such incredibly long ranges via military caliber rifles and the magnum big boomers.

So the answer to your original question, Justogo, is THERE IS NO RIFLE THAT WILL SHOOT TO MINUTE OF ANGLE AT ONE MILE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $1,000.

I think we can label this hypothetical case closed.

[A/C Guy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by rondog

18" at a mile? That's mighty hard to do even with a .50bmg. It can be done, but I doubt you're gonna want to lay out that kinda coin. You're talking .50bmg or .416barrett calibers, very expensive rifle, very expensive optics, and very expensive ammo. And lots of practice. Not to mention a place to do this at, firing large caliber bullets that distance isn't something you can do just anywhere. Probably close to $10k. You better have a very fat bankroll, and a very good reason. Unless you've got The History Channel bankrolling your hobby to film a show around you.

Funny how the people that haven't tried something are always the first to say you can't.

Go to LongRangeHunting.com

There are guys shooting 1000 yards, 1600 yards, and 1 mile with .30 calibers and one guy even with his .223. Many of them are stating with $500 rifles, some with $200 used rifles that are rebarreled ($350) plus scope or about a grand. Very few of them have over $2000 invested in a single firearm set-up, many have under $1300 invested.

The majority of world class match shooters are shooting 6mm thru .30 caliber for 1000 meter matches and those same shooters are capable of shooting at a mile plus.

[rondog]

Quote:       Originally Posted by A/C Guy

Funny how the people that haven't tried something are always the first to say you can't. Go to LongRangeHunting.com There are guys shooting 1000 yards, 1600 yards, and 1 mile with .30 calibers and one guy even with his .223. Many of them are stating with $500 rifles, some with $200 used rifles that are rebarreled ($350) plus scope or about a grand. Very few of them have over $2000 invested in a single firearm set-up, many have under $1300 invested. The majority of world class match shooters are shooting 6mm thru .30 caliber for 1000 meter matches and those same shooters are capable of shooting at a mile plus.

Now why are you picking on ME? I never said it can't be done, I was merely trying to point out that it's highly unlikely to do it for $1000 or less. Which I still stand by. Never said it can't be done, or hasn't been done. And I still say that even finding a place where you can shoot at targets a mile away is going to be a large part of the equation.

ANYTHING can be done if you're determined enough and have the funds to pursue it. I don't. I'm happy I get to go shooting water-filled cans and clay pigeons with my grandson.

[TexasT]

I can make any gun shoot one mile....or more!







Go to the Grand Canyon, point a gun straight down, fire it. Voila! Gun that shoots a mile.

[samuel]

Yeah,but can you hit it? sam.

[Mr. 22]

Samuel... TOOOOOooo Funnnnyyy!

The mile controversy.... It just goes to show that even a blind squirrel can occasionally find the nut. Same with the GC - I guess.

[captsquirrel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

I can make any gun shoot one mile....or more! Go to the Grand Canyon, point a gun straight down, fire it. Voila! Gun that shoots a mile.

Just make sure you don't shoot into the shallow part. It's only 4000 feet.

Does anyone have any pie?

[skiking]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

So the answer to your original question, Justogo, is THERE IS NO RIFLE THAT WILL SHOOT TO MINUTE OF ANGLE AT ONE MILE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $1,000. I think we can label this hypothetical case closed.

Well to say that there is no rifle that costs under $1000 that will shoot under 1 MOA at 1 mile is incorrect. One should say that the probability that finding a rifle that costs under $1000 and shoots 1 MOA at 1 mile is near zero. There may someday be a rifle that will meet that criteria, but it is highly unlikely.

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by skiking

Well to say that there is no rifle that costs under $1000 that will shoot under 1 MOA at 1 mile is incorrect. One should say that the probability that finding a rifle that costs under $1000 and shoots 1 MOA at 1 mile is near zero. There may someday be a rifle that will meet that criteria, but it is highly unlikely.

Ski - I put it through my highly sophisticated "probabilities" program and the odds of finding a rifle that will hold moa out to 1 mi for under 1000.00 is:........................0.00000000071.

Now before any one has a Bowel-yular...... Yes, if you shoot enough with an open sighted 30 30 you can ring the gong a long long long long way out there. But what in the world does that mean ?? Heck, if you kept shootin enough with any thing, you could probably write the Constitution in braille. Monkeys have proved this theory with typewriters.

Anyway, one poster said its not that hard to shoot at 1000, 1600 yard and further.. He's right. It is no harder to shoot at something that is 3 miles away than it is to shoot at something 100 yards away.

[skiking]

I just like statistics and the idea that everything is possible, yet many things are so unlikely that they are near impossible. And to say that that rifle doesn't exist implies knowledge of the performance of every rifle that costs under $1000 at said ranges. I guess that is what I was getting at.

I don't believe his 1 mile, 1 MOA, 1K performer exists either, but it is just a belief.

[samuel]

Anything is possible. sam.

[.22guy]

Die thread die!

[billy]

IT'S ALIVE!
HAHAHA
AND THEY CALLED ME MAD.
I HAVE GIVEN IT LIFE!*



* i stole that from frankenstein.....

[samuel]

We are working on 'reaction armor' to handle your case. sam.

[turkn8r1]

I like the odds. If I happen upon that very accurate and reliable (actually way under 1 moa rifle) as we are trying to consistantly hit an 18" target at 1 mile, I hope I have the good sense to buy a lotto ticket but somehow manage to stay in an under ground bunker to keep the meteor and tornado from hitting me while wearing my rubber suit to limit electric shock from the lightening strike.