so, what is the difference between these 2 types? SOG has a M95 which I assume is a rifle, a Stutzen, and a /34. the rifle is $50 more than the others.
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geeeze, Bob, why don't you just Google. Ok, I will. Apparently the /34 is a cutdown rifle and the Stutzen was manufactured as a carbine. the /34 may have a longer rear rifle sight and the front sight will be on a barrel band.
Last edited by bobvonb; 04-17-2009 at 11:51 PM.
Reason: answer my own questions.
Most of the full length M95's were cut down, converted from 8x50 to 8x56 and reconfigured to "Stutzen" between the WWI and WWII. I do know the way you can tell if a Stutzen that was made from a long rifle will have the front sight on a band as opposed to directly dove-tailed into the barrel as do the ones originally built as Stutzens. And the difference from a carbine and a stutzen is that carbines don't have stacking hooks or bayonet lugs.
I actually don't see M95/34 anywhere on that site. Are you sure "M95/34" is correct nomenclature??? Sometimes dealers make up their own designations. In fact, I found a post on some other board where a fella says there is no such thing as a M95/34.
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Am I sure? Heck no. One thing I've learned is that there is a fair amount of confusion with firearms nomenclature. That is an excellent link and I thank you very much!
I actually don't see M95/34 anywhere on that site. Are you sure "M95/34" is correct nomenclature??? Sometimes dealers make up their own designations. In fact, I found a post on some other board where a fella says there is no such thing as a M95/34.
"The M30 cartridge (8x56RS = RandHulse und Spitzgeschoss) was a large-rim with a pointed bullet. To differentiate this new chambering from the older Round Nose 8x50R chambering, a 8-12mm (or so) high letter 'S' was stamped on the barrel shanks of the converted weapons. These guns are called M95/34 incorrectly by a U.S. importer. There was no such designation neither in Hungary nor in Austria."
This page confirms that my Dunham's M95 is in fact a Mannlicher Model 1895/30. In particular, it is a Stutzen rifle cut down to a carbine.
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Am I sure? Heck no. One thing I've learned is that there is a fair amount of confusion with firearms nomenclature. That is an excellent link and I thank you very much!
You're most welcome, Bob. Another member here on G & G turned us onto that site a few months ago. It is a gold mine of info. I bought a Budapest M95 Stutzen first of the year for $100 off of gunbroker. I believe it was cut down from a long rifle between the wars and is possibly one of these:
"However, probably by Bulgaria in the 1930's or after WW2, a number of the butt-swivel additions were removed and their 'hole' filled in wooden plugs. These are called post-WW2 'Police Carbines' (for 'Internal Security') and usually come with the side-mounted fixed front sling loops, with bottom swivels removed and replaced with a spacer washer.
"Rebuilding was completed to either 8x56R Long Rifles or 8x56R (Police) Carbines, by shortening the barrel, shortening the stock and fitting side sling swivels only, filling in the underneath slot in the stock with a fitting wooden piece, and replacing the underneath front swivel in the band with a small washer. The rear sight was not changed for the long rifles, and the front sight blade was replaced with a very tall one, Most of these Carbines were used post-WW2 as "Internal Security" type weapons, or stored as part of Bulgaria's Strategic reserve. Some of these weapons were sold to Third World hot spots/countries (such as Mozambique) by Bulgaria during the 1970's.
"Electropenciled serial numbers on the M95 bolts indicate Bulgarian refurbishing. Only the original Bulgarian Contract rifles & carbines had serialized bolts of all M95 guns. The serial was on the bolt stem, although some appeared on the bolt body."
It sure is a great shooter. This will probably be the rifle that drives me to begin reloading.
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since I posted in this thread I've acquired 3 more M95s. See my thread in Curios and Relics for details. However, one is Bulgarian contract (with crest) and the gentleman that sent it to me says it is a great shooter. This means something. Maybe.
I love my m95, its a styer stutzen not the cut down version. it shoots really good considering that the barrel is pitted(inside). The guy I bought it from(I didn't see it first-dumb on my part) said he started cleaning the cosmoline out and didn't finish left if for a few years and wanted to sell cause he had no ammo. the rest of the gun(covered in cosmo) was in beautifull shape. Still I'm happy with it and would get another.
