Homeland Security bill

Rock · 11-24-2002, 11:38 PM

OK, link on the camps...

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/fema.html

You can go to google and enter [REX 84] and you can get more...

And you can read,

FM 3-19.40
Military Police
Internment/Resettlement
Operations

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/at...-19.40/toc.htm

White Prison boxcars ordered by the U.N.

http://amerikanexpose.com/gallery4.html

If you need more just let me know...

Jesse · 11-25-2002, 12:21 AM

Ok, and all of these powers are supposedly given through executive order(s) and delegated through FEMA. Interesting...

Seems that the boxcars were ordered by the UN during Clinton's first term.

Seems also that the executive orders were put in place by Bush 41. I'll give these links their own thread. You find any links on actual camps built to house the amount of people this action would call for, or poison gas being purchased by FEMA or the UN (and can tie it to these links). Let me know.

wes · 11-25-2002, 12:30 AM

Executive orders NEVER disappear.

Jesse · 11-25-2002, 12:35 AM

http://liberty.hypermart.net/editori...EMA_REX-84.htm

Ah ha, it seems this exect. order was set up in the event of mass illegal immigration. Interesting...

Here's the Google link:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...q=%22REX+84%22

It's all real interesting, but it will survive much criticism due to the illegals entering the US and with Al Queda. Also, these Executive orders date back to Reagan and some even to Nixon! All on the grounds of national security headed and delegated by FEMA. I think this is one of those things that goes unused and even shunned until the wrong person gets in power. I can just imagine Gore as President, being in charge of FEMA... I shudder!

Jesse · 11-25-2002, 12:43 AM

Some do. I know of two that will end with the sunset of the 1994 Crime Bill : the 1986 Reagan shotgun import ban and the 1989 Bush (41) military assault weapon import ban. I also know that many of Clinton's trade sanctions put in place by executive order were overturned by Bush 43 when he took office.

Some of these links are interesting and deserve further study. Others are rumor and hinge on the "black helicopter" theories. Every man be his own judge.

Rock · 11-25-2002, 09:13 PM

I know I have had a cold but how I started a new tread I'm not sure...Sorry...

Anyway on the trucks and off to the camps!

Now if you where going to buld camps across the U.S. would you or would you not have some reason why you where doing it?

Saying it's for illegal immigration would sound good right? You need to say something right?...

Now this link has a list of some of the camps, the smallest holds 20,000 people...Now if you count all the camps and multiply buy 20.000 thats a hole lot of people illegal or not...And if its for illegals how much in tax dollars will it cost us? We will have a tax rate of what 90% to run it...

http://www.rense.com/general17/statebystate.htm

And one more...

http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration.htm

And I know you used the term "Black helicopter" theories much like UFO wacko's, But over two years ago on CBS NEWS the Gov. admitted there are Black helicopters and they belong to F.E.M.A. and the ATF...And that should make anyone Shudder...

alan c. · 11-25-2002, 09:33 PM

Black helicopters--rumors--not. It's a real thing! Unmarked choppers have been a part of this equation for a long time.
Let's call it what it is-- concentration camps for the politically incorrect. F.E.M.A. It should concern everyone that the U.S. government has been training foreign troops on our soil for quite some time. Does anyone see the consequences.

Rock · 11-25-2002, 10:03 PM

Thank you Alan C,

I'm not making this stuff up and I'm not attacking anyone but we are being setup for a fall. and if all you know is what some talking head on T.V has to say, then you know nothing and just because they have a (R) or (D) in front of there name is meaningless. they have the same end in mind for us...

I have seen the pictures of Russian troops and their equipment being moved into Michigan...We have Chek and russian troops with there toys north of Austin,at Ft. Hood. just because we are being envaded a little bit at a time does not change the fact we are in trouble...

And what does John Ashcroft say the camps are for?

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0236/hentoff.php

Jesse · 11-25-2002, 10:23 PM

I'll give these links their own thread."

I split your links into their own thread like I promised. I've looked at all the links provided and as I've said in an earlier post, some of these links are interesting and deserve further study and scrutiny by all Americans and hopefully the mainstream media. Other links I've seen do border on the "conspiracy theory" side, and present more fanaticism than facts. I'm not referring to the immediate links Rock provided, but continuing links.

I think the major problem lies in the fact that these executive orders have been around for decades and started mainly around the end of the Nixon Administration. The framework exists for plausable reasons on paper, but can be used for reasons that could easily be described as horrific. It would take the right incident, with the wrong leader in charge, to set things off. (I do not think that GW Bush is that leader. I could be wrong, but I am in the middle of Woodward's book which contains some candid, borderline off the record interviews with Bush. His remarks about Kim of North Korea are enough for me.) I did find a link on smallpox vaccination that said 1 in a million will die from the vaccine GUARANTEED!

The military is using these so called "camps" for something. I would guess that it would be Psycological Warfare Training like the SCARS training at Ft. Bragg. They would have to be staffed and stocked with provisions, not just sitting there barren. I think the press would jump at the opportunity to report if one were found operational. As far as plausibility in their eyes, a half-closed military base is little to go on.

alan c. · 11-25-2002, 10:24 PM

Ok one more time. Foreign military enforcing the law. Uhmmm! do you think they are are going to be loyal to the U.S. citizens?

Jesse · 11-25-2002, 10:32 PM

No they won't. The 1994 Crime bill had provisions to hire Hong Kong police for weapon searches.

Rock · 11-25-2002, 11:25 PM

Ok, I know that some of those executive orders have been around for a while and some have not, like with the Patriot act we are now under Martial law and people say nothing has changed so big deal...

But as anyone knows if you scare the sheep you will not get them into the pin, they pass these orders/laws and people forget about them and when they decide to use them against us they can and it is to late for us to do anything about it...

And I do know that our military do need places to train, but there is no way they use all the camps that they have...And I know you have heard on the news the Gov refering to U.S. citizens as enemy combatants, and while they call the camps relocation centers or evacuation centers does that change what they are?

And like clinton selling the largest navy base in the world which
is in California to china, and its occupied at this time by Chinese
troops. And other closed military bases which where given to other foriegn governments our military bases are far from half empty...

And as you know, the fed gov. has people that monitor web sites like this one.I used to not speak out, so they would not put me in there computer I can't sit quietly anymore. I don't fear them. I Never have...

PAPA G · 11-26-2002, 12:00 AM

having worked on them myself, they do exist, operated by the 160th SOAR at Ft Cambell specially adapted to night offense. but the real threat is the McD500 a civilian helicopter made up for assault operations, they were featured in the movie Blackhawk Down. the threat is some of these get painted in civy paint colors, still retaining the hard points for the weapons sleds, and the fire control systems, they are called FBI BIRDS!!! what reason would the FBI have to fly a flying gun platform???

you may believe it won't happen, and i pray you are right, but there is just too much underhanded things going on in the gummint.

Jesse · 11-26-2002, 12:53 AM

I agree, the Patriot Act is a serious overreach which delves into the molestation of our civil rights.

wes · 11-26-2002, 12:15 PM

As our forefathers said,"A healthy dis-trust of Govenment."
With the forced vaccination progam,these camps would be perfect to "quarantine" those Enemys of the State that choose not to get one.

Rock · 11-26-2002, 09:42 PM

Wes,
You sound like one of those "Conspiracy nuts" next you will tell us that they consider gun owners enemies of the state too...

Papa G,
I did not know about the FBI birds, I did read about the 25 or so gun ships the ATF got from the Army about eight years ago...I think they call it urban pacification...Makes me happy I'm not a urban, they could become an endangered species with that kind of fire power...

wes · 11-26-2002, 11:48 PM

A few years back the ATF got some crop dusters with "silenced",(or quiet) engines. Always wondered why they needed them.
Conspiracy Nut? Yeah,guess I am.

11-24-2002, 11:38 PM	#1
Rock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 253	OK, link on the camps... http://www.mt.net/~watcher/fema.html You can go to google and enter [REX 84] and you can get more... And you can read, FM 3-19.40 Military Police Internment/Resettlement Operations http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/at...-19.40/toc.htm White Prison boxcars ordered by the U.N. http://amerikanexpose.com/gallery4.html If you need more just let me know... __________________ www.infowars.com www.infowars.com www.infowars.com The worst kind of slave is the one who thinks he is free... The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered eastern people to have arms. History teaches thet all conquerors who have allowed thir subject race to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so...Adolf Hitler...4/11/1942 Last edited by Rock; 11-25-2002 at 12:03 AM.

11-25-2002, 12:21 AM	#2
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	Ok, and all of these powers are supposedly given through executive order(s) and delegated through FEMA. Interesting... Seems that the boxcars were ordered by the UN during Clinton's first term. Seems also that the executive orders were put in place by Bush 41. I'll give these links their own thread. You find any links on actual camps built to house the amount of people this action would call for, or poison gas being purchased by FEMA or the UN (and can tie it to these links). Let me know. __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-25-2002, 12:35 AM	#4
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	http://liberty.hypermart.net/editori...EMA_REX-84.htm Ah ha, it seems this exect. order was set up in the event of mass illegal immigration. Interesting... Here's the Google link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...q=%22REX+84%22 It's all real interesting, but it will survive much criticism due to the illegals entering the US and with Al Queda. Also, these Executive orders date back to Reagan and some even to Nixon! All on the grounds of national security headed and delegated by FEMA. I think this is one of those things that goes unused and even shunned until the wrong person gets in power. I can just imagine Gore as President, being in charge of FEMA... I shudder! __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-25-2002, 12:43 AM	#5
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	Some do. I know of two that will end with the sunset of the 1994 Crime Bill : the 1986 Reagan shotgun import ban and the 1989 Bush (41) military assault weapon import ban. I also know that many of Clinton's trade sanctions put in place by executive order were overturned by Bush 43 when he took office. Some of these links are interesting and deserve further study. Others are rumor and hinge on the "black helicopter" theories. Every man be his own judge. __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-25-2002, 09:33 PM	#7
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,769 Images: 15 Blog Entries: 2	Black helicopters--rumors--not. It's a real thing! Unmarked choppers have been a part of this equation for a long time. Let's call it what it is-- concentration camps for the politically incorrect. F.E.M.A. It should concern everyone that the U.S. government has been training foreign troops on our soil for quite some time. Does anyone see the consequences. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

11-25-2002, 12:30 AM	#3
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,905	Executive orders NEVER disappear.

11-25-2002, 10:03 PM	#8
Rock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 253	Thank you Alan C, I'm not making this stuff up and I'm not attacking anyone but we are being setup for a fall. and if all you know is what some talking head on T.V has to say, then you know nothing and just because they have a (R) or (D) in front of there name is meaningless. they have the same end in mind for us... I have seen the pictures of Russian troops and their equipment being moved into Michigan...We have Chek and russian troops with there toys north of Austin,at Ft. Hood. just because we are being envaded a little bit at a time does not change the fact we are in trouble... And what does John Ashcroft say the camps are for? http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0236/hentoff.php __________________ www.infowars.com www.infowars.com www.infowars.com The worst kind of slave is the one who thinks he is free... The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered eastern people to have arms. History teaches thet all conquerors who have allowed thir subject race to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so...Adolf Hitler...4/11/1942

11-25-2002, 10:23 PM	#9
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	I'll give these links their own thread." I split your links into their own thread like I promised. I've looked at all the links provided and as I've said in an earlier post, some of these links are interesting and deserve further study and scrutiny by all Americans and hopefully the mainstream media. Other links I've seen do border on the "conspiracy theory" side, and present more fanaticism than facts. I'm not referring to the immediate links Rock provided, but continuing links. I think the major problem lies in the fact that these executive orders have been around for decades and started mainly around the end of the Nixon Administration. The framework exists for plausable reasons on paper, but can be used for reasons that could easily be described as horrific. It would take the right incident, with the wrong leader in charge, to set things off. (I do not think that GW Bush is that leader. I could be wrong, but I am in the middle of Woodward's book which contains some candid, borderline off the record interviews with Bush. His remarks about Kim of North Korea are enough for me.) I did find a link on smallpox vaccination that said 1 in a million will die from the vaccine GUARANTEED! The military is using these so called "camps" for something. I would guess that it would be Psycological Warfare Training like the SCARS training at Ft. Bragg. They would have to be staffed and stocked with provisions, not just sitting there barren. I think the press would jump at the opportunity to report if one were found operational. As far as plausibility in their eyes, a half-closed military base is little to go on. __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-25-2002, 10:24 PM	#10
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,769 Images: 15 Blog Entries: 2	Ok one more time. Foreign military enforcing the law. Uhmmm! do you think they are are going to be loyal to the U.S. citizens? __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

11-25-2002, 10:32 PM	#11
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	No they won't. The 1994 Crime bill had provisions to hire Hong Kong police for weapon searches. __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-25-2002, 11:25 PM	#12
Rock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 253	Ok, I know that some of those executive orders have been around for a while and some have not, like with the Patriot act we are now under Martial law and people say nothing has changed so big deal... But as anyone knows if you scare the sheep you will not get them into the pin, they pass these orders/laws and people forget about them and when they decide to use them against us they can and it is to late for us to do anything about it... And I do know that our military do need places to train, but there is no way they use all the camps that they have...And I know you have heard on the news the Gov refering to U.S. citizens as enemy combatants, and while they call the camps relocation centers or evacuation centers does that change what they are? And like clinton selling the largest navy base in the world which is in California to china, and its occupied at this time by Chinese troops. And other closed military bases which where given to other foriegn governments our military bases are far from half empty... And as you know, the fed gov. has people that monitor web sites like this one.I used to not speak out, so they would not put me in there computer I can't sit quietly anymore. I don't fear them. I Never have... __________________ www.infowars.com www.infowars.com www.infowars.com The worst kind of slave is the one who thinks he is free... The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered eastern people to have arms. History teaches thet all conquerors who have allowed thir subject race to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so...Adolf Hitler...4/11/1942

11-26-2002, 12:00 AM	#13
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	BEWARE THE BLACK HELIO'S having worked on them myself, they do exist, operated by the 160th SOAR at Ft Cambell specially adapted to night offense. but the real threat is the McD500 a civilian helicopter made up for assault operations, they were featured in the movie Blackhawk Down. the threat is some of these get painted in civy paint colors, still retaining the hard points for the weapons sleds, and the fire control systems, they are called FBI BIRDS!!! what reason would the FBI have to fly a flying gun platform??? you may believe it won't happen, and i pray you are right, but there is just too much underhanded things going on in the gummint.

11-26-2002, 12:53 AM	#14
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	I agree, the Patriot Act is a serious overreach which delves into the molestation of our civil rights. __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

11-26-2002, 12:15 PM	#15
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,905	As our forefathers said,"A healthy dis-trust of Govenment." With the forced vaccination progam,these camps would be perfect to "quarantine" those Enemys of the State that choose not to get one.

11-26-2002, 09:42 PM	#16
Rock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 253	Wes, You sound like one of those "Conspiracy nuts" next you will tell us that they consider gun owners enemies of the state too... Papa G, I did not know about the FBI birds, I did read about the 25 or so gun ships the ATF got from the Army about eight years ago...I think they call it urban pacification...Makes me happy I'm not a urban, they could become an endangered species with that kind of fire power... __________________ www.infowars.com www.infowars.com www.infowars.com The worst kind of slave is the one who thinks he is free... The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered eastern people to have arms. History teaches thet all conquerors who have allowed thir subject race to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so...Adolf Hitler...4/11/1942

11-26-2002, 11:48 PM	#17
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,905	A few years back the ATF got some crop dusters with "silenced",(or quiet) engines. Always wondered why they needed them. Conspiracy Nut? Yeah,guess I am.