Right now as I type there is a situation that has been unfolding since this morning here in new zealand. One police officer dead and two injured. Another blow to the NZ firearms scene. we have no death penalty here in NZ if he is taken alive (I hope doesn't) he will get ten years for murder and then set loose (probably get paroled after five years)
Sorry to hear about the shooting.It's sad.We are getting these shootings quite frequently.When politicians cut funding for mental health,release dangerous prisoners,allow doctors to prescribe all kinds of dangerous drugs,and then blame the shootings on law abiding citizens and pass more gun restrictions against us these things are going to happen.Some crazy shows signs they might be dangerous and they give him drugs that make him really bad.Then when he kills someone they pass more gun control against sane,hard working citizens that do their best to be lawful and have no desire to harm anyone.I wish to GOD it was possible to find a politician with one lick of good sense.Good luck. sam.
Sorry to hear about the officer. Even sorrier to hear about the leniency afforded the criminals, who commit these acts of violence. If the bad guys knew they would pay the full price, they might think again, before committing the act.
Even though I've read about this in Dick Francis's novels, what I don't understand is why the Commonwealth nations' legal systems don't provide for longer penalties adn no possibility of parole for murderers.
At one time if you were given a life sentence in some states you were eligible for parole in seven years. The mandatory sentence for bank robbery at that time required you serve ten years. I thought it odd that one could commit murder and serve less time than a bank robber.
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Do you have much gun control?
If so what kind?
Are citizens allowed to have fire arms?
We are not allowed to carry loaded firearms in public when we do need to carry a firearm it must be in a carry bag going from car to shop with bolt removed. the gun laws over here are strict I can lose my firearms licensed if I am caught with unsecured guns that have the bolt in and ammunition loaded in the mag. Also we are not allowed to defend ourselves with firearms unless the offender is shooting at us first and lives are in direct danger Unfortunately the Siege is still happening the police have bought in the special tactical group and apparently the Army has been bought in. the body of the police officer that was shot dead is still in front of the offenders house and is unable to be retrieved. It has also bee reported that the gunman is a licensed firearms owner is ex territorial army(weekend soldier), A hunter, and has a passion for the Rambo movies. the whole street is in lock down people can not get home and have had to hole up inside a school. If it were me living across the street I would have grabbed my rifle and put one through his window and put an end to him. The police aren't even allowed to wear their glocks they are not allowed to shoot offenders unless they can not be disarmed without deadly force, and when an offender is shot by police there is a big investigation into it and the officer who shot can be criminally charged Yes folks the NZ justice system is stupid, I have been neutral about the death penalty but since yesterday I am have crossed over to being in full support of it. Please I do not want this thread to turn into a debate over the death penalty I feel it has it's place and purpose in society for people who can be proved beyond reasonable doubt that they are guilty as sin. I will say this aswell I went to school with a person who raped and murdered to get accepted as a prospect into a gang he got ten years when he got out he thought he was the man and boasts about it to this day I do not live in his town I left there because of the racism that went on there but I keep in touch with friends I have in that town.
I'm sorry to hear about this officer and the pain and uncertainty his family must be enduring. I noticed the press report mentioned the marital status of the officers involved. They used to do that here when we were a kinder, gentler nation. I'm a former law enforcement officer and I can tell you that these things happen fast and without warning.
I was uncertain whether or not officers in New Zealand were normally armed. I’m sorry to hear that they must perform their routine duties “unarmed” and have to rely on tactical teams during an armed encounter. The criminal drug culture is nothing to take lightly as we’ve all witnessed here; so much for the “non-violent” drug offender. I can’t help but wonder whether or not the level of injured and deceased officers could have been lower or avoided altogether if they had only been armed. We were encouraged to stay armed even off duty. Given all that has happened, I hope that New Zealand’s archaic armed response policy is changed and the officers can carry their weapons at all times. I also hope that society places the blame on the killer and this doesn’t result in more senseless and worthless gun control.
God be with the family of the deceased officer, and the Napier community that has endured so much.
It is now almost 27 hours into the seige he is still in his house with high powered rifles and alot of ammo. I am glad he has not been able to give the police the slip and get out into the community or we would be looking at another aramoana massacre(google it up and there should be info available on this). Also there was another incident in the village at the forest I hunt in another gun involved by the sound of it http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/n...tent_id=771095. My impression of a NZ police officer was that they had the right to end an offenders life it it was absolutely necessary, The special tactical group are not able to fire on the offender unless the commander gives the order to shoot. Stalebiscuit yes it is true very tight gun laws over here but weak as ****(forgive the expression) when it comes to sentencing and justice. I remember one night I had someone snooping around outside my house I called the cops and was told to go outside in the dark and tell them to leave. In other words they pretty much told me that they didn't give a flying crap about it but yet they like handing out infringement notices like they are candies and target the firearms community because of people that I call gunophobes and also because of criminals.