[Farmer]

There called assault rifles cause your randomly shoot as your assaulting somewhere, wasting amm, but saving lives cause the enemy gets their head down. If it saves lives of you and your family/friends is it wasting money/ammo?

[TACAV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Farmer

There called assault rifles cause your randomly shoot as your assaulting somewhere, wasting amm, but saving lives cause the enemy gets their head down. If it saves lives of you and your family/friends is it wasting money/ammo?

The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

* It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
* It must be capable of selective fire;
* It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
* Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

In the case of many of us without full auto capability, our semi auto AR15s and AKs can be just as accurate as any other rifle. Just because you can spray and pray in rapid semi auto doesnt mean you have too.

Even when full auto is available its used far less than aimed single shots. Even by police SWAT teams, the only real use for it is a short burst for up close and personal room clearing type things and even then a well practiced semi auto double tap works just as fast.

One other example look at some of the stock world war two footage of soldiers popping off entire Garand clips or M1 carbine magazines (non assault weapons) as fast as they can shoot em off in semi auto, then look at news or camera footage of firefights in iraq or Afghanistan doing the exact same thing in semi auto mode and not full auto.

I supposed there might be a time to randomly rapidly shoot, or you could still rapidly shoot at the enemy with rapid aimed fire.

[larmus]

i would think if you were laying down a cover fire as Farmer tried to say, that a full auto or even rapid semi-auto fire would keep the heaads of any attacker down untill the mag was empty anyways... it would work better with two people to lay down a covering fire then just an individual i would think while one reloads the other fires and then vise-versa...

[cjleete]

As long as that's not S@#t creek, you should do fine.

[cjleete]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Farmer

There called assault rifles cause your randomly shoot as your assaulting somewhere, wasting amm, but saving lives cause the enemy gets their head down. If it saves lives of you and your family/friends is it wasting money/ammo?

If you run out of ammo before you run out of enemy, then I suppose that would be a big waste of ammo/money

[Metronome]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Farmer

There called assault rifles cause your randomly shoot as your assaulting somewhere, wasting amm, but saving lives cause the enemy gets their head down. If it saves lives of you and your family/friends is it wasting money/ammo?

Well see, here in California we call them assault rifles if an unemployed vegan can look at it and get scared; if they panic then someone from our bankrupt state puts the rifle on the 'mean gun' list and we are not allowed to have one anymore.

[oldjarhead]

Thrillbilly, Keep in mind
"One well placed shot is worth more than a magazine full of misses".

[cjleete]

Quote:       Originally Posted by oldjarhead

Thrillbilly, Keep in mind "One well placed shot is worth more than a magazine full of misses".

Amen, brother! You don't have to supress a cooling corpse.

[thrillbilly]

Quote:       Originally Posted by oldjarhead

Thrillbilly, Keep in mind "One well placed shot is worth more than a magazine full of misses".

That is purdy much my motto, along with "Aim small, Miss small" lol

[kansascoyote]

Thrillbilly,
My opinion on your preception of suppresive fire.
We will take those "sniper shots if we have the chance but fact in this day and age is that numbers in hardened vehicles will roll up on you faster than you can precive the threat and react .
The idea of suppresive fire is more than just keeping the heads down . If you were to be over run by combatents your bolt action center fire rifles will not serve you well . Yes a shotgun is a very effective tool in this situation but you must reload the max of every 10 shots . Your numbers and quanity of shotguns will prove your saving grace in this situation given you have them loaded and accesible . My advise is to invest in lots of buck shot and slugs . Smooth bore slugs are effective if you don't have numbers or rifled guns .
I don't know your setting but here is kansas flat ground is a very good tactical advantage if you know how to use it . But I cant give those secrets out . The best you can do is pick your weapons to match the terrain , conditions and user comfort . What is good for you is dependent on these factors .
I will say an few RPK's is a dam good investment in security . If you don't know the RPK wicapedia.com has a good article on it It will cost you $700 to $1000 depending on where you get it and if you can find one. Gunbroker.com usually has a good selection but you will pay for it . I seen your budget range but somethings have to be bought on time . If you get the chance I might suggest you seriously consider it. 2 cents

[testhop]

Thrillbilly
even the marine sniper team has one member (the spoter)carring an m16 in case of mulpletargets close .
and both carry handeguns .
so you see it is a good idea to have firepower.

[knightRider]

Its great to be able to hit your target from far away but what happens when they flank your position? or what happens when they surprise you at 30 feet?

That my friend is when a cheap <400-500> Ak-47 comes in handy.

[thrillbilly]

I am not planning on being alone, will have group of at least 10, if ya'll read the OP. I do own semi-autos, shotguns, and handguns, as do my brothers. Due to the rural area, I am not expecting hordes, just looter/bandit groups. If it's the military, we are screwed no matter what we own, have ya'll ever seen a Cobra in action, or a tank? I started this thread mainly to gauge what others think of what is necessary for my own unique situation/environment. If I had different perimeters, I would of course choose different tactics. Thank ya'll for your input.

[knightRider]

you can't be surprised in a group setting ? what about when most of you are a sleep , or eating ?

If you thank bandits will be unorganized and dumb your making your first mistake your forgetting how vicious hungry groups of people can be .

never underestimate your enemy.

[larmus]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

never underestimate your enemy.

+100 on that, no matter who it is...

[SgtD]

Do you need and assault rifle. Probably not. It souds like you have a good group and a nice set up.
Make sure you have plenty of water, food, and medical stuff on hand, becuase that is what will keep you alive. After that, ammo for the guns you have is of great importance, and I mean plenty of it.

Having said that, if the above is already covered, I'll just mention something to think about.

You said that one member of your group has an sks. Well, every member of my group is "required" to have at least one sks or an AK and 500 rounds of ammo. Would we all rather have M-14s or ARs, yes. Can we all afford them and the ammo to go with them, no. The reason the standard is the SKS is that they are pretty cheap and the ammo is relatively cheap and interchangeable between them. Anyone can save enough money to buy an SKS and ammo for it if they try.

A stock sks with a bunch of ammo loaded in stripper clips is enough gun for most any situation out to 200yds IMO.

If each person in your group had an sks and 500 rounds of ammo,(x 10 people = 5000 rounds) that would be a sweet set up. And it could be done for the cost of one good bolt action. ($250 for the rifle and around $200 for the ammo and a few bucks for stripper clips) If any of them break, you could rely on your other weapons (which you have plenty of) if necessary and then be able to scavenge parts to keep others running.

I just think that standardization is important to some extent. Even with your hunting guns. If two guys are working together, they should be using weapons that use the same ammo. If I'm shooting a 30-06 and run out of ammo, it does no good for my buddy to have a pocket full of 300 Win Mag.

Like I said, just something to think about.

[JESSEDR]

If the c_ _ _ hit the fan I feel fine with what I have. One thing to remember you can use your enemy's weapon's and they will have the more up dated weapon and ammo. Stay stocked up on what you have, Butt always remember the DEAD ENEMY don't need what they have..

[Lobo0311]

In the safety and relative security of the present time, an "assault weapon" may not sound like a necessity. What if the time DOES come though. What if you are forced to fall back from the farm house due to fire or breach or whatever. IMO it makes sense to have a weapon that carries a high volume of ammo so you dont have to stop to reload on your way to your secondary position. I don't mean take a "Spray and pray " mentality, simply having enough ammo right when and where you need it. Most AR's on the market today are extremely accurate at extended ranges due to the increase of interest with varmint hunters. that having been said I prefer the ones chambered in .308 as opposed to .223 ( although the guy who runs the local gun shop just picked one up chambered in .50 beowulf..... I want one...). The "aim small, miss small" is spot on, and you'd have 20+ oppurtunities to show them the error of thier ways. But like I said just my opinion.

[big shrek]

Sounds like all you really need is one good Munitions expert and you are set. Someone who can make a few grenades/improvised munitions.

A nice AK or AR would be nice...but not totally neccesary. Bear in mind the OLDER Ruger 10/22 and many other semi-auto's can EASILY be converted to full-auto in the case of terminal breakdown of society.

But some good Coconut Bombs like from Swiss Family Robinson (1960's version)...Hey, now that's Fighting!!

Don't forget Pit Traps...and other good old fashioned booby traps...

It ain't neccesarily the best-armed or largest force that wins a fight...it's the sneakeyest, most well-prepared, low-down dirty rat bastiches that usually win.

[thrillbilly]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big shrek

Sounds like all you really need is one good Munitions expert and you are set. Someone who can make a few grenades/improvised munitions. A nice AK or AR would be nice...but not totally neccesary. Bear in mind the OLDER Ruger 10/22 and many other semi-auto's can EASILY be converted to full-auto in the case of terminal breakdown of society. But some good Coconut Bombs like from Swiss Family Robinson (1960's version)...Hey, now that's Fighting!! Don't forget Pit Traps...and other good old fashioned booby traps... It ain't neccesarily the best-armed or largest force that wins a fight...it's the sneakeyest, most well-prepared, low-down dirty rat bastiches that usually win.

I thought ya knew, we're rednecks, lol. Munition Expert..check.