Old 06-04-2009, 10:34 AM   #1
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considering getting myself a C&R

well, it the fee is 30 bucks which i can afford, and most of the guns im interested in are old school soviet surplus type of firearms

i think the only requirements is to be over 21 (which i am now), have 30 dollars, a current address in the proper state (thank god for georgia) and be eligible to own firearms (i dont have a speeding ticket on my record, i think im good)

now, according to the J&G website (which explains it well) this is all i need to do

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is there a catch? if i become a C&R holder to i have to register my firearms? does the BATF randomly come by and check on me? anyone wanna shed some light on this
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:39 AM   #2
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Only 21 and quoting Reagan. There is hope.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:43 AM   #3
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Only 21 and quoting Reagan. There is hope.
the cool thing is reagan also quoted jack dempsey, another favorite historical figure
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:47 AM   #4
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the cool thing is reagan also quoted jack dempsey, another favorite historical figure

Boxing or getting shot. One way or the other it is going to hurt if you don't duck.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:53 AM   #5
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Boxing or getting shot. One way or the other it is going to hurt if you don't duck.
exactly
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:06 AM   #6
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is there a catch? if i become a C&R holder to i have to register my firearms? does the BATF randomly come by and check on me? anyone wanna shed some light on this[/QUOTE]

No, you do not have to register your firearms. You do have to keep a bound book recording any C&R firearms aquired while you have your license and any dispositions of C&R firearms. The BATFE can audit you, though that is rare. All reports I've read about that state that they compare your bound book to what you have and that's it. What bothers some people comes at renewal time (after 3 years). On the renewal form you are asked how many firearms you have sold, some people don't like to supply that info. But that is three years down the road, at renewal time.
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is there a catch? if i become a C&R holder to i have to register my firearms? does the BATF randomly come by and check on me? anyone wanna shed some light on this
No, you do not have to register your firearms. You do have to keep a bound book recording any C&R firearms aquired while you have your license and any dispositions of C&R firearms. The BATFE can audit you, though that is rare. All reports I've read about that state that they compare your bound book to what you have and that's it. What bothers some people comes at renewal time (after 3 years). On the renewal form you are asked how many firearms you have sold, some people don't like to supply that info. But that is three years down the road, at renewal time.[/QUOTE]
sounds good, i think ill do it

does anyone have their C&R

(also can i receive firearms for people or is that only allowed by an 01 dealer? say if my dad wanted me to get him a tokarev?)
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:17 AM   #8
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Yes stale you can, you just can't be selling firearms to justify your means of living. Only then would you need your 01 FFL. You can order for people here and there but not to be your sole means of living. Being a Tokarev is a C&R Gun yes you could order it. Just have the funds in your name and you're set.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:20 AM   #9
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Yes stale you can, you just can't be selling firearms to justify your means of living. Only then would you need your 01 FFL. You can order for people here and there but not to be your sole means of living. Being a Tokarev is a C&R Gun yes you could order it. Just have the funds in your name and you're set.
ok, so if i wanted to make a tiny bit of side money (to say pay for the cost of my C&R or the shipping on some of my personal guns, i could charge like 30 bucks to receive it

just so long as im not like selling all my guns away to just anyone its cool and im required to keep a strict record of what i purchased, have, and have gotten rid of with names, serials numbers, model numbers, calibers, etc

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:29 AM   #10
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My understanding of the C&R is that it is for the individual license holder to buy guns for theirselves and not to sell. If firearms are sold then I am not sure how many you are allowed to sell per year so on so forth. If you are looking to make a profit then I think that would fall into the 01FFL. Look in the C&R section of this site for a little more info. I have also thought of getting the license but it would turn out bad for me as I know what would happen. It would be like givinga fake id to a minor and say have fun.
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Old 06-04-2009, 04:39 PM   #11
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If you buy C&R eligible rifles with the intent of giving them away, or ordering them for someone else, you're gonna be in trouble. Yoy get the license to "collect" them. Yes, you can sell them off periodically (and the BATFE sets no limit), but if they see you selling all the time they will shut you down as a minimum.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:38 PM   #12
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Thats what I meant Swede, occasional ok, but a regular buy/sell situation could get you into some serious trouble. More of like a favor type thing. If his dad gives him the cost of the gun and say a "here's for your troubles" 30 bucks I don't see a problem with it.
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Old 06-04-2009, 06:09 PM   #13
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my understanding is that you are allowed to transfer 6 C&R s a year with no problem. more than that and they might say you "was in the business" Stable- get your C&R, after I got mine, I kicked myself for not doeing it sooner. I don't know why everyone who is elagable don't have one. You can really AFFORD to buy lots of neat guns.
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BATFE will question each "sale" you've made. Remember, you have to record the disposition of each C&R gun you get rid of after you get your license.
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My understanding of the C&R is that it is for the individual license holder to buy guns for theirselves and not to sell. If firearms are sold then I am not sure how many you are allowed to sell per year so on so forth. If you are looking to make a profit then I think that would fall into the 01FFL. Look in the C&R section of this site for a little more info. I have also thought of getting the license but it would turn out bad for me as I know what would happen. It would be like givinga fake id to a minor and say have fun.
If I remember correctly, you are allowed to sell up to six C&R fireams each calendar year. The idea behind the C&R is to help collectors buy C&R firearms for their collections, primzarily by making it possible for them to be shipped directly to their address of record (the address on the license) without having to run the transaction through a Class 01 FFL holder. I don't believe that they even mind if you make a little profit on the guns you sell, provided you sell them and then immediately or almost immediately buy another piece for your collection with the money - though as long as it's clear what you're doing I have not heard of BATFE hassling a collector on the sales price of the gun or guns he sold.
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What would the BATFE think when, upon inspection of your bound book, they see you bought a rifle and sold it to your Dad the next day ??
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If I were to get one I would use it for the sole purpose of collecting firearms that I want and discounts on ammo and other gun related items. I wouldn't look at it as a way I can make extra money. If I were to do that then I would jump through the hoops and hassel for the 01FFL. And I really don't like hassels so I won't be getting the 01FFL.
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If I were to get one I would use it for the sole purpose of collecting firearms that I want and discounts on ammo and other gun related items. I wouldn't look at it as a way I can make extra money. If I were to do that then I would jump through the hoops and hassel for the 01FFL. And I really don't like hassels so I won't be getting the 01FFL.
Plus which, under the BATFE rules today you need a brick and mortar store separate from your home that you run as a business before you can get a Class 01 license. One of the reasons the number of Class 01 FFL holders declined drastically during the Slick Willy Administration was that regulation being put into effect. It affected thousands of folks who made a little money on the side buying and selling firearms and ammo as a hobby business out of their homes. And when you read in the paper every so often about someone being arrested with a pile and a half of firearms and a ton by weight of ammunition, most of the time it's someone whose FFL was not renewed but still had the stock from his hobby business.
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