10-06-2009, 10:00 AM
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#21 | | Firearm Zealot
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Korea to Sell Old Rifles Back to U.S.Korea will sell outdated M1 and carbine rifles used during the Korean War and the Vietnam War to the U.S. gun enthusiasts. They have long lost their value as firearms, except that reserve forces sometime use them.
The Defense Ministry's "green" logistics planning division said it decided to sell about 87,000 M1 and some 35,000 carbine rifles to the U.S. by the end of the year. "Importers are very interested in them as many Americans want to buy them as curios for their collections."
The ministry estimated their expected sale prices at US$220 per M1 and more than $140 per carbine. Korea could earn more than $20 million from the first shipment of those rifles. In fact, the old M1 or carbine rifle is traded at more than $1,000 in some cases in the U.S., a military officer said.
The Army and the Navy will get rid of all their stockpiles of M1s, but the ministry expects to keep earning dollars as it still keeps about 640,000 carbines for the reserve forces, which could also be disposed of as the reserve forces' equipment will be modernized by 2020.
The ministry's logistics planning division concluded that there is no legal problem selling the guns although a considerable amount of them were given by the U.S. to Korea as aid supplies.
M1s were made first in the U.S. in 1926, and many were used later in World War II and the Vietnam War. Carbines were manufactured first in 1941 and introduced to Korea in 1948, many given to soldiers during the Korean War. englishnews@chosun.com / Sep. 23, 2009 11:31 KST
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10-07-2009, 07:08 AM
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#22 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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There it is.
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10-07-2009, 01:42 PM
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#23 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Here's some M1 Carbine export/import history: www.bavarianm1carbines.com/imports.html
Check out the 1960's prices and the dirty tricks during the Clinton era.
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10-07-2009, 02:25 PM
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#24 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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Originally Posted by gbear-48  Future great deals:
Over 100,000 M1 Garands and M1 Carbines returning to the USA from South Korea over the next year or so.
To be followed by over 600,000 more Carbines by the year 2020. www.chosun.com
Cick on English , then run a search for M1 carbine. | To save the time of doing the search, here's the link to the article itself, in English to boot. lol The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Korea to Sell Old Rifles Back to U.S.
We'll have to make enough waves that they'll have and WANT to sell them to us to get "OUR" money back that will have been used to buy them back from Korea...Otherwise knowing who's in control now, if this happens while they are still in control, and the way they like to spend and the way our government, on both sides of the aisle seems to like to also waste "OUR" money, they might just say, let's just destroy them all!!!
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10-09-2009, 12:59 AM
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#25 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Wunhunglo:
Is it really likely that US BureauCraps will try to gradually cut off bulk x54R ammo, imported from our friends in Bulgaria, Czech Republik (sold them and Poland out via missile policy changes) Hungary, and Serbia?
Even if the House or Senate loses its Dem. majority next year?
We notice each day on the evening news that those insurgents in Afgh/Pakistan have bolt-action Mosin Nagants in their hands as good truck guns... 
If the silent squeeze is probable, will plan to buy two more sealed tins of it this winter/spring for very long-term use.
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10-09-2009, 07:37 AM
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#26 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I tend to question the "silent squeeze " theory.
A couple years ago world scrap metal prices were so high that recycling old ammo for the metal was economically practical. Another factor is that milsurp guys ( like me ) tend to buy the good stuff in bulk. Examples: SA 5.56 & 7.62 , Aussie 7.62 , ROK .30 carbine , Dane 30'06 , NC 8x57 on stripper clips, etc.
7.62x54r was in great demand because it can pulled down and the bullets and powder used with boxer primed commercial .303 and 7.7 brass.
So , I believe that current prices are based on market forces ( supply & demand ) -- impacting a finite amount of old milsurp ammo. The winter panic had a huge effect as well. So did people buying on speculation , hoping to make big bucks scalping the ammo for profit.
FWIW & YMMV.
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10-10-2009, 06:56 AM
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#27 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by wunhunglo | Don't just blame the UN,(you never listen to them anyway) your Homeland insecurity outfit & state Dept. have a helluva lot to answer for with all the new Import & Export regulations.
Just realize that there will be no new "surplus Battle rifles" ending up on the American market, just as the supply of "surplus" ammunition is being cut off as well. You'll soon be saying Bye-bye to the spam cans from eastern europe. | Links?
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10-10-2009, 01:36 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Zealot
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I think the next great deal in milsurp may be retired Barrett .50-bmg's in about 10 years 
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10-10-2009, 03:33 PM
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#29 | | Firearm Zealot
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Well I guess it really depends on whether the US Military will adopt a new platform or caliber for the main battle weapon. A new caliber will cost a lot. New weapons will also cost a lot. I like the idea of a milsurp M16 that is not capable of automatic fire. Ammo is already out there. And they would be able to make back some of the cost for a new battle rifle if one were ever adopted. I like the idea, but it would really depend on cost as to whether or not I would want to buy one. I guess its all speculation and wishful thinking maybe.
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10-12-2009, 06:46 AM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Laufer Wunhunglo:
Is it really likely that US BureauCraps will try to gradually cut off bulk x54R ammo, imported from our friends in Bulgaria, Czech Republik (sold them and Poland out via missile policy changes) Hungary, and Serbia?
Even if the House or Senate loses its Dem. majority next year?
We notice each day on the evening news that those insurgents in Afgh/Pakistan have bolt-action Mosin Nagants in their hands as good truck guns...
If the silent squeeze is probable, will plan to buy two more sealed tins of it this winter/spring for very long-term use. |
Start searching for info on the destruction of surplus small arms & ammunition. lots of info out there. looks like the UN is committed to destroying surplus stocks. http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files...2001_UNDDA.pdf IANSA: Control Arms launch address Conmany Wesseh
Say goodbye to the SA surplus ammo: http://www.grip.org/bdg/pdf/g1791.pdf http://www.osce.org/documents/mcs/2008/12/35594_en.pdf http://www.undp.ba/index.aspx?PID=21&RID=68
Etc. Etc. Etc...............
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10-12-2009, 07:34 AM
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#31 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by big shrek I think the next great deal in milsurp may be retired Barrett .50-bmg's in about 10 years | already into the A3 model with a shorter lighter barrel so that would be nice.
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10-12-2009, 11:48 AM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Iron_Colonel | Well I guess it really depends on whether the US Military will adopt a new platform or caliber for the main battle weapon. A new caliber will cost a lot. New weapons will also cost a lot. I like the idea of a milsurp M16 that is not capable of automatic fire. Ammo is already out there. And they would be able to make back some of the cost for a new battle rifle if one were ever adopted. I like the idea, but it would really depend on cost as to whether or not I would want to buy one. I guess its all speculation and wishful thinking maybe. | To an extent...and some of those Milsurps have gone thru some ROUGH use...
Example: recently the M4 came under question as a viable platform after a heavy firefight in Afghanistan in 2008. As most folks know, the M4 carbine is a shorter/lighter M-16 designed for Urban Engaugement. The big problem?? Failure to Function. Not only did several fail to work in the early stages of the battle, but also the darn things overheated to White-Hot during prolonged battle conditions and ceased to function...
Troops who survived were asking their superiors to come up with something like the AK-47...
Back in my day, we put the old M-16A1's & A2's thru their paces...and occasionally would go a bit overboard to see what they could take. They'll take a lot, but they do have the certain weaknesses...which are well-known and complained about still today.
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10-12-2009, 12:24 PM
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#33 | | Firearm Zealot
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Face it the days of cheap milsurp are over we may get small batches of stuff but the big piles are over the next thing may be pistols if they can import them. the k-98s are about done as are the k-31's and the mosins, M-1's, m-1 carbines, any other kind of bolt action. We may get 22 trainers but how many of them are there? get what you can while you can.
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10-12-2009, 08:46 PM
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#34 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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m14 rifles from some countrys may trickle in at some point. In the day, a friend of mine took time to polish the innards and tweak some things in an m14 and after very rough use and many "hot" fights, he reported that the rifle performed well above what was asked of it. Also, he had his father send him a special made steel operating rod for that gun and a couple special steel springs I think. He still has the gun and shoots it alot.
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10-13-2009, 02:26 AM
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#35 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I sure would like to have one of those M1 carbines the Koreans are wanting to send over here!  | |
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10-13-2009, 05:13 PM
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#36 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Wunhunglo:
About a year ago I accidentally saw a website about some European group which is behind destruction in former Warsaw Pact countries.
At Surplusrifle, where a guy in Lee-Enfield stated his experience in a South African city where he saw old LEs, Brens etc being destroyed.
My questions about this at "Gunboards" and "SKSboards" ("RKBA") prompted responses which confirm the South African laws which now require this idiotic waste. If anybody would know, many regulars at "SKS-" certainly would.
Various countries receive UN money for destroying old rifles, ammo and even old ammo factories.
big shrek:
I've chatted with a fellow employee (based in DTW) who was in Special Forces during Desert Storm.
Rick told me that when they discovered that their Army rifles were unreliable, they picked up the Iraqis' AKs, in order to have reliable weapons.
Some of our veterans feel that comments such as this are are improper etc.
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10-14-2009, 09:53 AM
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#37 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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This is from over on theakforum.net.
Gunowners in South Africa are putting aside some the past and banding together.. . Homepage of Black Gunowners of South Africa: www.bgoasa.co.za
The NRA has done an excellent recorded interview with the chairman of BGSA. I will try to find a link.
Also from theakforum.net ; Zulu with AK's and Fal's , The Buffalo Soldiers of South Africa. these guys were not raggedy a-- Liberian militia. Their New Imperialist Angolian enemies , the Cubans and the East Germans called them "The Terrible Ones": | |
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10-16-2009, 10:43 PM
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#38 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Run a search for Gunowners of South Africa and the SA hunter and Conservation organization .
IMO , things are turning around. In the USA and elsewhere.
We are winning. www.saf.org www.nra.com  | |
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10-16-2009, 11:06 PM
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#39 | | Firearm Aficionado
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That blurb about the Korean M1 Carbines made me tear up a little, I hope this comes to fruition!
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10-17-2009, 11:13 AM
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#40 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by Metronome | That blurb about the Korean M1 Carbines made me tear up a little, I hope this comes to fruition! | Thanks .
As promised , here's more links from SA.
Gunowners of South Africa: www.gunownerssa.org
South African Hunters and Game Conservation Association. www.sahunters.co.za | |
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