[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by wirehunt

I hear you Sam, tell me why don't bow hunters go for just in front of the shoulder into the hilair(sp?) area?

I prefer a Texas Cornhole shot...they drop Right There!!

Try shoving a 125-grain broadhead up yer wazoo and see how far ya get!!!

[deerhuntertyler]

i know if you shoot a deer in the shoulder with a shotgun, the deer will not die. here we can't use rifles. but i do know that my bow will rip through both shoulder blades.

[jerry]

I think the deer Iv'e killed with the shotgun missed the memo, LOL

[Lobo0311]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Farmer

im with big shrek, head shots are my choice, its hit or miss 99% of the time, i have hunted with so many people who tell u they aimed for the heart of shoulder only to gut shoot, once i get them into head shooting they 1, shoot better and 2, hit or miss.

Head shots are great for those who can do it 100% of the time but what about being sure of your target and what's beyond it. I'd be rather unhappy if I got a round in the keester because somebody took a head shot without knowing that I was beyond, out of site but not out of range. Not to mention with a behind the shoulder shot, while it may not drop on the spot the chances are that even if in runs it's dead it just takes a second for the brain to catch up.

[Archetype_wyo]

+1 Behind the shoulder if you can, if not I'd rather not shoot it. Unless its runnin at me unawares that I'm there.

[Packerfan2600]

So you think behind the shoulder would be better then the double lung shot?

[Lobo0311]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Packerfan2600

So you think behind the shoulder would be better then the double lung shot?

Not at all, just better than risking a head shot without knowing what all lies in range beyond the deer

[Packerfan2600]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lobo0311

Not at all, just better than risking a head shot without knowing what all lies in range beyond the deer

I never said i thought the DL was better, i've never tried the shoulder shot.

[Archetype_wyo]

I would go for the traditional off the point of the shoulder shot. It will hit the lungs and/or the heart and down he goes.

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Packerfan2600

So you think behind the shoulder would be better then the double lung shot?

Behind the shoulder is a double lung shot.Also a boiler room shot. ,,,sam.

[lefty o]

shhhhhhhhhhh sam, some folks dont know critter anatomy!

[ArkansasHunter]

Where to Shoot Big Game Animals?
By Chuck Hawks


If you've learned to shoot and hit what you aim at, but are a novice big game hunter, the natural next question is, "where to shoot?" a big game animal. The answer is simple: aim for the heart/lung area in the animal's chest. It is the biggest immediately vital area, at least 8" in diameter in even small deer and pronghorn antelope, and a solid hit there with an adequate bullet will result in a quick kill.
Deer target showing internal organ areas. "X" marks the point of aim.
Illustration of deer target courtesy of Brichwood Casey.A shot through the shoulders will usually disrupt the lungs and result in a quick kill. But it ruins a lot of good meat. A shot through the ribs just behind the foreleg wrecks the lungs without ruining hardly any edible meat.
Do not attempt brain shots (or head shots of any kind). The brain is very small and animals constantly move and turn their heads, even when they are standing still. Do not attempt neck shots. The neck is large, but the spinal cord inside is small and difficult to sever. Both brain and neck shots are deadly if perfectly executed, as they shut down the central nervous system, but if the bullet is off only an inch or two the animal is very likely to escape and be lost, only to die hours or days later.
Never attempt spine shots, especially from behind a fleeing animal. The result will almost certainly be a gut shot animal. Do not shoot at a moving animal. Wait until it stops moving, or find another animal that is not moving. Shots at moving animals often hit too far back, because the hunter fails to lead enough. The result is a gut shot animal that will probably not be recovered--and if it is you may wish that it had not been when you begin to field dress it.
Passing up difficult or questionable shots is part of the hunting experience, and the better and more experienced the hunter, the more shots he or she will pass on. Don't shoot if you think you can make the shot (you will probably fluff it), shoot only when you know that you can make the shot.
Avoid any shot that will drive the bullet through the guts. That means that you are looking for opportunities where you can shoot from a position somewhere in a broad arc from either side of the animal. The ideal is a perfect broadside shot, but a shot at an animal quartering toward or away from you at angles up to about 45 degrees is acceptable.
Some knowledge of the anatomy of the game in question is requisite in order to know where the heart/lung area is. Fortunately, the common game animals in North America of the deer species (deer, caribou, elk, and moose), along with their close relatives in Asia and Europe, are anatomically similar and pretty conventional. So is the pronghorn antelope, although it is not a species of deer. Certain other animals, including the North American mountain goat and musk ox, are anatomically a little different and should be studied individually, although the goal is still to place the bullet into the heart/lung area.
The game departments of many states publish drawings showing the location of the vital areas of typical game animals, as do a number of web sites. Type "deer anatomy" into any of the major search engines to find diagrams showing the locations of the heart and lungs. Study these until you can visualize where the heart/lung area is located in the body of the species you intend to hunt.
In any of the deer family, viewed broadside, the heart/lung area is directly behind the foreleg. Hold just behind the near side foreleg, about half way up the body, and your bullet should go through the lungs and exit just behind the off side foreleg. (It doesn't matter if the bullet actually exits the animal, but that is the path it should be on.) If the animal is quartering toward you, aim for the center of the chest so that the bullet passes in front of the near foreleg and exits through or immediately behind the off side foreleg (depending on the angle at which the animal is standing). If the animal is quartering away, aim to drive the bullet directly behind the near shoulder so that it passes through the lungs and exits through the off side shoulder.
Avoid shots from directly in front of the animal. When the buck's head is up and he is looking right at you, the point of aim would be about where the lower neck joins the body to drive the bullet through the lungs. The problem with this shot is that the bullet is likely to penetrate all the way through the chest and into the guts and make a mess.
Learn enough big game anatomy to be able to figure where the heart/lung area is inside of the animal and aim to drive your bullet right through the center of that area. If game animals are rarely encountered near your residence, watch domestic sheep, goats, or cows, visualizing the location of their heart/lung area and how to drive a bullet through it from various angles. Learn to avoid angles where a bullet would puncture the paunch on the way to the lungs. I have had to field dress animals where the bullet perforated the guts on its way to the heart/lung area. Trust me, it is an experience you want to avoid. Good hunting and good shooting!

[ArkansasHunter]

By DAVID RAINER
With a hint of fall in the air, Alabama deer hunters usually move into a frenetic pace as they prepare for the upcoming season.
For those who are considering a new deer rifle, Larry Teague, editor of Buckmasters GunHunter magazine, said quite a few variables go into the decision of what firearm to choose.
“In some places you have short shots,” Teague said. “In some places you have long shots. In Alabama, you have both. You have thick woods. You have power lines. You have rights of way. Depending on where you’re hunting, you can get a rifle for each area, or you can get a rifle that will work for both.
“Hunting guns for Alabama is kind of a misnomer, because they would work anywhere else. The calibers of .270 Winchester, .30-06 and 7mm Magnum are all traditional whitetail calibers. The advantages of the .30-06 is, as everybody knows, you have wide range of bullets and the ammo is available everywhere. If you’re out in the middle of nowhere, you won’t have trouble finding ammunition. The availability is about the same for the .270.”
The problem with those bullets and larger calibers is when you have somebody that is recoil sensitive, either a little or a lot. It doesn’t take much “flinch” to foul up a shot.
“When you are shooting .30-06, the Magnums or Ultra Mags it will have more recoil than a small stature individual or female shooter can handle,” Teague said. “For woman or youths, I would drop down to a 7mm-08, one of my favorites. A .260 Remington is also very good.
“The .243 may be a little light for Alabama deer. There are arguments on both sides. The .243 will kill deer all day long in central Texas where a 130-pound buck is a big one. In Alabama, where you’re looking at a 175- to 200-pound buck, that’s completely different. In my opinion, you need a bullet with more mass and a little more energy.”
Compared to a lot of hunters in Alabama, myself included, Teague’s body mass would put him in the lightweight category.
“The smallest I would hunt deer in Alabama with is a .25 caliber, which is one of my favorites,” he said. “The .25 is an ideal bullet size for me. That’s what I carry most of the time. It’s a combination of low recoil, it has enough energy and enough mass to take any whitetail. But you’re not overdoing it, either. So you don’t get punished by heavy recoil.
“Now if I were going to shoot down a right of way at a 300-yard deer, I probably wouldn’t choose a .25 with the possible exception of a .257 Weatherby Magnum – the fastest .25 caliber out there. It’ll fly along at about 3,800 feet per second. It’s a tremendous caliber, and it will take a deer way out there. If you want to shoot a little farther or a little flatter, I really like the Remington Ultra Mags, the 7mm and the .300. They will hammer you, but they’re the flattest shooting things out there.
“But there is another aspect to consider – can you shoot a magnum caliber effectively? There are these things called muzzle blast and recoil. It takes a toll on you and you don’t even know it. The more you shoot these rifles, the more you develop an unconscious fear of these guns. When you get into the field, you’re more apt to jerk the shot and make a poor shot. I get a lot of people calling me and asking what caliber to use. The first thing I ask is can you tolerate recoil, can you take a kick? If you can’t you don’t need to be shooting these calibers. A lot of people say they can and they really can’t. That’s why I really like the .25 caliber because it has a mild kick and gets the job done. And everybody can shoot it. For Alabama deer, it may be the best caliber of all.”
With the variety of calibers and bullets available, Teague said it’s very easy to become confused about the proper selection of a rifle.
“Probably the best way to look at this whole deal is not to look at what caliber you should be shooting,” he said. “It really should begin with what bullet do I want to shoot, and what speed do I need that bullet to fly. You can go to any of the manufacturers’ web sites and they will have ballistics charts. You try to determine where your normal shot will be on a deer – 100, 200 or 300 yards. You look at the trajectory of each bullet. You look at the trajectory and then determine if you have enough downrange energy to kill that animal swiftly. Most modern ammunition is tuned to mushroom within a certain velocity range.
“Instead of saying I want a .30-06, you look at a .30-caliber bullet because there are a number of calibers that shoot a .30-caliber bullet. It just takes some homework to determine what would be the best choice for the distance and terrain you’re hunting.”
For those who are adept at hand-loading bullets, the possibilities are almost endless.
“Usually the number of people hand-loading varies from five to 10 percent, but hand-loading is making a comeback right now because of the high price of ammunition,” Teague said. “You have to reload a lot to save any money. After you load a couple of boxes, you start to realize significant savings. Plus, you get to use a bullet you like, which is a whole different story.
Teague said there are basically two types of bullets – the traditional lead-core, copper-plated bullet like the Remington Core-Lokt and the Winchester Super-X and the premium and super premium ammo like the Barnes TSX, Winchester XP3, Nosler Accubond, Hornady Interbond and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra.
“Now what’s the difference?” he said. “The old-style, copper-plated lead bullets expend a lot of energy inside the animal and you won’t get a good pass-through. With the newer ammo, you get good pass-through and a good blood trail. If you’re hunting an area where a deer can run 60 yards and get lost, you’re going to need a good blood trail. You’re going to pay more for the premium ammo, but in the grand scheme of things the cost of bullets is small compared to the other expenditures.”
PHOTO: Deer hunters in Alabama use a range of ammunition from the (left to right) .243, .25-06, .270, .30-06 and .300 Ultra Mag. Larry Teague, editor of Buckmasters GunHunter magazine, considers the .243 too light for Alabama deer, but cautions about the recoil factor for the large calibers like the Ultra Mag.


I posted this because in some states in the south we have Big Deer. In So. Arkansas we have Big Deer like Alabama appartently.

This guy touch's on how much gun and some about recoil. For what it's worth I posted this because I agree mostly with his caliber choice's which could differ some where else in the U.S.

[wirehunt]

Shit, I'd better tell that deer I got Sunday that I whacked him in the wrong spot, but hey, I was only using a .223 and aimed in front. Now I'd better remember to skin him out tomorrow.

[wirehunt]

[samuel]

Now what the hell did all of that prove?AH only posted what experts in the field reccomend for caliber cartridge and common sense anatomical placement of shots for common hunters.You super hunters can sneak up,place the barrel in their ass,aim carefully,and touch it off for all I care,or use a nostril for that matter.If it works for you,fine.AH,s post was for us lowly hunters that really only wanted to know where to place a common sense shot and what caliber would be most efficient.So your post is moot.Only you super hunters know how to make those shots with pop-guns work. ,,,sam.

[Archetype_wyo]

I wouldn't use a .223 to hunt...what the hell? The minimum here in Wyoming is .243 for a reason. But even still I would use my .30-06.

[Packerfan2600]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Archetype_wyo

I wouldn't use a .223 to hunt...what the hell? The minimum here in Wyoming is .243 for a reason. But even still I would use my .30-06.

Me too.

[Archetype_wyo]

If .223 is all you have...I understand but at least save 200 or 300 for a cheap mid-calibre gun and .223 is well below that. Use the iron-sights til you can get a scope for it. I'd rather not hunt than maim some animal and have it run off and die on some hill.

[ArkansasHunter]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

Now what the hell did all of that prove?AH only posted what experts in the field reccomend for caliber cartridge and common sense anatomical placement of shots for common hunters.You super hunters can sneak up,place the barrel in their ass,aim carefully,and touch it off for all I care,or use a nostril for that matter.If it works for you,fine.AH,s post was for us lowly hunters that really only wanted to know where to place a common sense shot and what caliber would be most efficient.So your post is moot.Only you super hunters know how to make those shots with pop-guns work. ,,,sam.

Giggles !!! I can't help but love Sam LOL ....That's brotherly love now. Don't be getting idea's LOL