Someone owns everywhere

PDM · 12-15-2002, 03:49 PM

It might just be the area that I live, but it seems like you can't go anywhere any more without seeing a "No Trespassing", "Keep Out" or "Posted" sign. I remember when I was younger walking the Mississippi river and plinking or fishing. Use to turn the kids loose on a sandbar and build a fire and kickback for the night. I know no one can own a river but they sure do own point "A" to point "B". If it ain't someone it's a company. I'm not lucky enough to have land and the closest shooting range is about 45 miles away. [And always packed]. I feel like I'm getting old when I say "Times are changing".

PAPA G · 12-15-2002, 04:09 PM

but with the explosion of litigation, by the land sharks(lawyers&clients) its becoming more and more common, plus those morons that tear up and trash private property. about the only thing you could do is get friendly with a land owner, and maybe he'll let you use his land if you do your part.

jerry · 12-15-2002, 05:11 PM

I know the feeling. Used to be you could do a little summer work to get hunting permission. More about the buck (the dollar type) nowadays. Outfitters don't help the cause much either. Slob hunters pretty much ruined it for the rest of us. What really gripes me is a waterway, river or whatever that one can't use simply because it runs through someones land. bulllshit! Ok, I'm getting started, time to chill.

thewalkindude · 12-15-2002, 09:03 PM

Ha. Canada is twice the size of America with a fraction of the pop. Actually do a little math and an atlas and the person per square kilometre works out to:

US of A: 28 people to every 1 km(approx.)

Canada: 3 people to every 1 km(approx.)

This makes for a lot of free space. And ulnless you live west of New Brunswick (**** flatlanders) people dont usally dont give a ****.

missharpshooter · 12-15-2002, 10:31 PM

We are all getting old....and yes the times have changed...and I think...not for the better....life is so fast and complicated now..I think I am turning into an isolationist...LOL

NRAJOE · 12-15-2002, 10:34 PM

Paved paradise,put up a parking lot!

NRAJOE · 12-15-2002, 10:38 PM

Artist: Amy Grant
Song: Big Yellow Taxi

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop, shoo-bop-bop-bop

They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum
And then they charged all the poeple twenty-five bucks just to see 'em
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop, shoo-bop-bop-bop

Hey farmer, farmer, put away your DDT now
Give me spots on my apples but leave me the birds and the bees, please
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
I say, they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop

Late last night I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi carried off my old man
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and they put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop

Oh, now, they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop
Hey, steam rolled paradise and put up a parking lot
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop

missharpshooter · 12-15-2002, 10:40 PM

IF I was just a little younger.. I think I would be up to more of an adventure...now I just like room service and to play in the whirlpool and drink champagne..LOL

missharpshooter · 12-15-2002, 10:44 PM

I forgot to say...I enjoy all my guns and shooting...and exploring....but sometimes a woman just needs to be pampered.....

7mmag6 · 12-15-2002, 11:32 PM

I have a poor mans range just 10 minutes from my door, shot the he-l out of my defunct vcr, I put 20 rounds from my argentine mauser right up its gut, you got to love New Mexico, last of the wild west whoooh ho

wes · 12-15-2002, 11:37 PM

Amy Grant? I thought it was the original hippe,Joni Mitchell.

missharpshooter · 12-15-2002, 11:46 PM

I think you are right on that....but the point is the same..clean water is gone, can't see the stars, isn't safe anywhere, wilderness has been distroyed, animals have been pushed out of there inviroments. Now you have to worry about cwd in game, especially in deer meat, they keep the information real low key, because they don't want to alarm the general hunting population, but there have been several deaths from it....

wes · 12-16-2002, 12:07 AM

I noticed the Elk several years ago around Estes Park.Co. didn't look too healthy,but at that time no one was talking about cwd.

7mmag6 · 12-16-2002, 12:11 AM

dam im glad i live in this back water state, almost as big as Montana, with only 1 million people, mostly in albuquerque

dhermesc · 12-16-2002, 07:48 AM

Two things to consider when being the land owner, getting sued and getting your land trashed. My farm insurance went up when I told the insurance company you could see a pond from the road, they called it an attractive nuisance (they jokingly said the rates could go down if I hired a life guard).

Someone mentioned slob hunters, they hurt eveyone. My family and I have lost several thousand dollars over the years due to "SPORTSMEN" that shoot tractors, cows, water tanks, and powerlines, then drive over crops to see what they hit. Over the years I have no idea how many family pets have been lost to the same people. Thats not to mention time lost repairing fences and chasing cattle due to gates being left open. Farmers don't mind people hunting, they want to game populations (especially deer and turkey) kept under control, but some times it just costs to much.

NRAJOE · 12-16-2002, 11:44 AM

You are correct wes, didn't pay any attention...Joni Mitchell it is!

thewalkindude · 12-16-2002, 01:09 PM

Er. Thats not hunting thats 4 good ole' boys with booze and guns. Er. Story of my life. Blah.

Oxford · 12-16-2002, 09:54 PM

7mmag6: I read with interest your comment, "I have a poor mans range just 10 minutes from my door, shot the he-l out of my defunct vcr".

My thinking is that you have just the opposite of what you said. You have something that money can't buy. How much better can it get than to have a place where you can shoot out in the open?

Guess I'm just remembering my kid days when I lived on a farm and had almost unlimited places to hunt or target practice. I'll take that anytime over crowding into a shooting range shooting holes through paper.

Now, of course, if that's not possible I'd definitely head to the commercial shooting range, too.

Ox

wes · 12-16-2002, 10:08 PM

Around here all the shooting ranges are Members only,with a 200 year waiting list. All the public ranges we had are now housing developments. I can take a short ride in the mountains to shoot,but then you only have about a 40 yd. range. Or,I can drive 50 miles to the Pawnee National Grasslands and have 1000 or more yd. range.

tommy · 12-16-2002, 10:33 PM

they have alot of land around where i live . atleast for the moment.any way me and the wife have shot atleast 7 deer this year.( with a camera that is ) .we are nature freaks. we go walk every day in the afternoon .we even go walk in the woods at night with no lights and just sit down and listen to the woods come alive . sure is nice

12-15-2002, 03:49 PM	#1
PDM Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 68	Someone owns everywhere It might just be the area that I live, but it seems like you can't go anywhere any more without seeing a "No Trespassing", "Keep Out" or "Posted" sign. I remember when I was younger walking the Mississippi river and plinking or fishing. Use to turn the kids loose on a sandbar and build a fire and kickback for the night. I know no one can own a river but they sure do own point "A" to point "B". If it ain't someone it's a company. I'm not lucky enough to have land and the closest shooting range is about 45 miles away. [And always packed]. I feel like I'm getting old when I say "Times are changing".

12-15-2002, 04:09 PM	#2
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	IT IS A SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS............. but with the explosion of litigation, by the land sharks(lawyers&clients) its becoming more and more common, plus those morons that tear up and trash private property. about the only thing you could do is get friendly with a land owner, and maybe he'll let you use his land if you do your part.

12-15-2002, 05:11 PM	#3
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,870 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I know the feeling. Used to be you could do a little summer work to get hunting permission. More about the buck (the dollar type) nowadays. Outfitters don't help the cause much either. Slob hunters pretty much ruined it for the rest of us. What really gripes me is a waterway, river or whatever that one can't use simply because it runs through someones land. bulllshit! Ok, I'm getting started, time to chill. __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

12-15-2002, 09:03 PM	#4
thewalkindude Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yarmouth, NS, Canada Posts: 127	Ha. Canada is twice the size of America with a fraction of the pop. Actually do a little math and an atlas and the person per square kilometre works out to: US of A: 28 people to every 1 km(approx.) Canada: 3 people to every 1 km(approx.) This makes for a lot of free space. And ulnless you live west of New Brunswick (** flatlanders) people dont usally dont give a **. __________________ Did you exchange, A walk on part in the war, For a lead role in a cage, -Pink Floyd

12-15-2002, 10:34 PM	#6
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Paved paradise,put up a parking lot! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-15-2002, 10:31 PM	#5
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	We are all getting old....and yes the times have changed...and I think...not for the better....life is so fast and complicated now..I think I am turning into an isolationist...LOL

12-15-2002, 10:38 PM	#7
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Artist: Amy Grant Song: Big Yellow Taxi They paved paradise and put up a parking lot With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop, shoo-bop-bop-bop They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum And then they charged all the poeple twenty-five bucks just to see 'em Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop, shoo-bop-bop-bop Hey farmer, farmer, put away your DDT now Give me spots on my apples but leave me the birds and the bees, please Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and put up a parking lot I say, they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop Late last night I heard the screen door slam And a big yellow taxi carried off my old man Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and they put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone They paved paradise and put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop Oh, now, they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop Hey, steam rolled paradise and put up a parking lot Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-15-2002, 10:40 PM	#8
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	IF I was just a little younger.. I think I would be up to more of an adventure...now I just like room service and to play in the whirlpool and drink champagne..LOL

12-15-2002, 10:44 PM	#9
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	I forgot to say...I enjoy all my guns and shooting...and exploring....but sometimes a woman just needs to be pampered.....

12-15-2002, 11:32 PM	#10
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	I have a poor mans range just 10 minutes from my door, shot the he-l out of my defunct vcr, I put 20 rounds from my argentine mauser right up its gut, you got to love New Mexico, last of the wild west whoooh ho __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine Last edited by 7mmag6; 12-15-2002 at 11:36 PM.

12-15-2002, 11:37 PM	#11
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	Amy Grant? I thought it was the original hippe,Joni Mitchell.

12-15-2002, 11:46 PM	#12
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	I think you are right on that....but the point is the same..clean water is gone, can't see the stars, isn't safe anywhere, wilderness has been distroyed, animals have been pushed out of there inviroments. Now you have to worry about cwd in game, especially in deer meat, they keep the information real low key, because they don't want to alarm the general hunting population, but there have been several deaths from it....

12-16-2002, 12:07 AM	#13
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	I noticed the Elk several years ago around Estes Park.Co. didn't look too healthy,but at that time no one was talking about cwd.

12-16-2002, 12:11 AM	#14
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	dam im glad i live in this back water state, almost as big as Montana, with only 1 million people, mostly in albuquerque __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

12-16-2002, 07:48 AM	#15
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	Two things to consider when being the land owner, getting sued and getting your land trashed. My farm insurance went up when I told the insurance company you could see a pond from the road, they called it an attractive nuisance (they jokingly said the rates could go down if I hired a life guard). Someone mentioned slob hunters, they hurt eveyone. My family and I have lost several thousand dollars over the years due to "SPORTSMEN" that shoot tractors, cows, water tanks, and powerlines, then drive over crops to see what they hit. Over the years I have no idea how many family pets have been lost to the same people. Thats not to mention time lost repairing fences and chasing cattle due to gates being left open. Farmers don't mind people hunting, they want to game populations (especially deer and turkey) kept under control, but some times it just costs to much. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

12-16-2002, 11:44 AM	#16
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	You are correct wes, didn't pay any attention...Joni Mitchell it is! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-16-2002, 01:09 PM	#17
thewalkindude Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yarmouth, NS, Canada Posts: 127	Er. Thats not hunting thats 4 good ole' boys with booze and guns. Er. Story of my life. Blah. __________________ Did you exchange, A walk on part in the war, For a lead role in a cage, -Pink Floyd

12-16-2002, 09:54 PM	#18
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,021 Blog Entries: 4	7mmag6: I read with interest your comment, "I have a poor mans range just 10 minutes from my door, shot the he-l out of my defunct vcr". My thinking is that you have just the opposite of what you said. You have something that money can't buy. How much better can it get than to have a place where you can shoot out in the open? Guess I'm just remembering my kid days when I lived on a farm and had almost unlimited places to hunt or target practice. I'll take that anytime over crowding into a shooting range shooting holes through paper. Now, of course, if that's not possible I'd definitely head to the commercial shooting range, too. Ox __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

12-16-2002, 10:08 PM	#19
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	Around here all the shooting ranges are Members only,with a 200 year waiting list. All the public ranges we had are now housing developments. I can take a short ride in the mountains to shoot,but then you only have about a 40 yd. range. Or,I can drive 50 miles to the Pawnee National Grasslands and have 1000 or more yd. range.

12-16-2002, 10:33 PM	#20
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,014 Images: 6	they have alot of land around where i live . atleast for the moment.any way me and the wife have shot atleast 7 deer this year.( with a camera that is ) .we are nature freaks. we go walk every day in the afternoon .we even go walk in the woods at night with no lights and just sit down and listen to the woods come alive . sure is nice