[Lobo0311]

^ it was Greensburg, town was 90-95% decimated,as for the local Law enforcement doing a gun grab, they tried but couldnt get the authority to do so by the State. Not to mention there wasnt much left in the way of local government. In fact the city STILL hasnt completely recovered, the rebuilding continues. I was there this spring and couldnt believe how much damage still remained.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Kentucky Fan

Im just tryin to say that our system works it has for a long time and will continue too if you look at our history there have been times a lot worse than right now. imo i believe that we are destined to soon fight WW3 we will win the economy will fix itsself its the way the world works. and before anyone says we would lose think about the fact that the US spends almost as much money on our military and the rest of the world put together and the next country behind us in that spending is an ally. and in war money is king. The peace was called the pax romana btw

I am not trying to say it doesn't work but more of trying to point out it's inherent flaws. When we centralized banks for a federal reserve and allowed private citizens to loan the government money, which they can print freely anytime they want, at an interest rate of debt what did that accomplish? It allowed the rich to become wealthy and stay wealthy even during times of economic lows. It also allows for a system of control. He who controls the money flow controls the economy. He who controls the economy can control the people through slavery of debt, all the while those that control the banks go about unchecked and unregulated making money hand over fist for no reason, and with no regulations.

Thus, it is flawed. It doesn't allow for the American dream like you are meant to believe that is all smoke and mirrors. It also doesn't allow for a free market either. Everything the centralized banking system does directly affects our economy, the worth of our dollar and big business along with it. Why should a select few have power or control over that?

If we altered our system, and perhaps maybe backed our money behind some sort of standard or good other than what is being circulated and then stopped giving corporations individual rights as if they were actual people, then perhaps we would have a true free market that would regulate itself through free enterprise. That is what they are trying to sell to you that we have now, but it is far from that.

just my 2 cents

[larmus]

I love a good survival show...

[Kentucky Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

I am not trying to say it doesn't work but more of trying to point out it's inherent flaws. When we centralized banks for a federal reserve and allowed private citizens to loan the government money, which they can print freely anytime they want, at an interest rate of debt what did that accomplish? It allowed the rich to become wealthy and stay wealthy even during times of economic lows. It also allows for a system of control. He who controls the money flow controls the economy. He who controls the economy can control the people through slavery of debt, all the while those that control the banks go about unchecked and unregulated making money hand over fist for no reason, and with no regulations. Thus, it is flawed. It doesn't allow for the American dream like you are meant to believe that is all smoke and mirrors. It also doesn't allow for a free market either. Everything the centralized banking system does directly affects our economy, the worth of our dollar and big business along with it. Why should a select few have power or control over that? If we altered our system, and perhaps maybe backed our money behind some sort of standard or good other than what is being circulated and then stopped giving corporations individual rights as if they were actual people, then perhaps we would have a true free market that would regulate itself through free enterprise. That is what they are trying to sell to you that we have now, but it is far from that. just my 2 cents

You are one of the few people i have ever discussed this with that knows what they are talkin about although we dont agree at least you can back your points and i think that the way things are going right now we are due for a major change in the monetary system but only time will tell.

[Deersniper]

It was reported in Shreveport La this morning that anybody with a 2 nd Amendment or NRA sticker on their vehicle is getting pulled over and having their firearm seized under temporary suspension of the 2nd amendment. Can anybody confirm this????

[Dickie d]

Did I wake up in the twilight zone?? I have never seen so much horse hockey pucks in my life. Canadian troops invading the US, they haven't got enough men to protect one province!!! The swine flu started by the US!!!! If you believe that, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn, you might be interested in buying.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deersniper

It was reported in Shreveport La this morning that anybody with a 2 nd Amendment or NRA sticker on their vehicle is getting pulled over and having their firearm seized under temporary suspension of the 2nd amendment. Can anybody confirm this????

Under what authority and what is your reference?

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Kentucky Fan

You are one of the few people i have ever discussed this with that knows what they are talkin about although we dont agree at least you can back your points and i think that the way things are going right now we are due for a major change in the monetary system but only time will tell.

I don't have a TV that gets any channels because I refuse to pay for cable. So I read a lot, or watch movies. I also don't like to talk out my butt when debating something that means something to a lot of people and something that I think is important.

Thanks, and I know that you and I probably don't agree on everything but I am sure we can probably come to some sort of moderation between our thoughts.

I can seriously relate to every political party on some level, which is why I am almost a centrist. There are a few staples of politics that does push me to the liberal side so that is what I get labeled as but in reality I am nothing or perhaps everything depending on how you look at it.

[Ironcowboy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deersniper

It was reported in Shreveport La this morning that anybody with a 2 nd Amendment or NRA sticker on their vehicle is getting pulled over and having their firearm seized under temporary suspension of the 2nd amendment. Can anybody confirm this????

Bulleffingshit! Not a chance! There would be blood on the streets if they tried that...

*edit I'm wrong in a way, check this out http://www.infowars.com/shreveport-c...mper-stickers/

[Kentucky Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

I don't have a TV that gets any channels because I refuse to pay for cable. So I read a lot, or watch movies. I also don't like to talk out my butt when debating something that means something to a lot of people and something that I think is important. Thanks, and I know that you and I probably don't agree on everything but I am sure we can probably come to some sort of moderation between our thoughts. I can seriously relate to every political party on some level, which is why I am almost a centrist. There are a few staples of politics that does push me to the liberal side so that is what I get labeled as but in reality I am nothing or perhaps everything depending on how you look at it.

A great man once said that political parties would be the downfall of the United States government. Which is why im not in a party and i personally believe they should be banned because washington is now all about what is good for the Democrats and what is good for the republicans not what is good for america. That mans name By the way was George Washington

[Seven©]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

but in reality I am nothing or perhaps everything depending on how you look at it.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Kentucky Fan

Which is why im not in a party

"Stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

Being consistently in the middle, undecided, neutral, not-in-a-party, unbiased, the voice of reason, vanilla, seeing both sides, etc. accomplishes nothing.

Right or wrong. Pick a side. Get on it and do something.

Flame away.

[SightNSqueeze]

Quote:       Originally Posted by petrol

I already explained how to beat the bug. WASH YOUR HANDS obsesivley. teach your kids to wash their hands. use sanitizer.

Wash your hands obsessively? Use hand sanitizer? Teach your kids to do those things?

You have got to be kidding. People these days go out of their way to NOT wash their hands. I saw a boy in the men's room go through great pains to dippy-dab soap on the finger tips of one hand and barely touch the stream of water to get the soap off. You would have thought he was handling radioactive material instead of soap and water. If common sense hygiene is the answer; then we are doomed in a pandemic.

[Metronome]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Ironcowboy

Bulleffingshit! Not a chance! There would be blood on the streets if they tried that... *edit I'm wrong in a way, check this out Shreveport Citizens Disarmed By Police For 2nd Amendment Bumper Stickers

Hmm, not the most reliable source of news on the planet, but if this is in fact the whole, complete and truthful story I would expect an inquiry from those who still protect our rights.

[LiveToShoot]

"Stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

Being consistently in the middle, undecided, neutral, not-in-a-party, unbiased, the voice of reason, vanilla, seeing both sides, etc. accomplishes nothing.

Right or wrong. Pick a side. Get on it and do something.

^+1...

...cause there's too much vacillation and fence sitting these days.

"Stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Seven©

"Stand for something or you'll fall for anything." Being consistently in the middle, undecided, neutral, not-in-a-party, unbiased, the voice of reason, vanilla, seeing both sides, etc. accomplishes nothing. Right or wrong. Pick a side. Get on it and do something. Flame away.

You don't have to be a part of a political party to vote, and you don't have to vote for a single party. My voice still gets heard and I still vote on the issues as I see fit and exercise my right to vote.

I am not neutral or undecided I am just not 100% with any single party.

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Ok this is why I have a problem with posts like this, and this is nothing personal but the small differences mean a lot. 1) Katrina was a state government fiasco. Not a federal one. The local government horded people into the stadiums, they did the gun grabs, not the feds, it was the state and county and city officials. 2) Please show me in the last 20 years, heck last 30 years where government had it in our best interest? Sure, we had our ups and downs and the economy spoke for that on one level. What did the last administration do? Get us into two wars, that are very misguided and cost us American lives. Drive us into debt times infinity, and knowingly kept companies afloat so the next guy could deal with them all the while chipping away at our personal rights and freedoms. 3) Captialism is a failed and flawed system from the core. We are bound to fail eventually. The rest of the world will catch up with us and it is happening in Aisa right now 10x the speed of sound. That was a hyperbole by the way. India and China are booming and in 10 years they will have the largest English speaking nation, not the USA any more. With cheaper labor, and 100% English speaking work force what do you think will happen? Would it not be wise to make great relationships abroad now so our trade and economies can both share a good fate? Or should be just be like shut up I bow to no one and I am a ruthless ass kicking American? I mean what way do you want it? You know when Obama was talking to Pakistan leaders he was talking about local poetry and the government there was very impressed. No one had learned to read into their culture before. You say he is doing bad and setting us back? No, he is setting us forward for when we are no longer number one and no matter how you want to grasp it, we won't be number 1 forever. Everyone knew that eventually the rest of the world would start to catch up with us. Technology allows for it to happen. What do you think is going to happen if we keep having all our enemies and no longer are the number one military power. Heck, even North korea is catching up on nuclear power. We had it over 60 years ago but they are just now catching up. Think about another 100 years from now and what will happen?

I lean toward "Rutheless ass-kicking American" (only if provoked though) simply because it usually works. Some of these idiotic countries only understand an opened can of whoopass.

[Dragunov]

tlarkin,

I respect your views as they are well thought out. However, I respectfully and adamantly disagree with you. I don't like the idea of running to another country with our tail between our legs because we're afraid "they'll someday catch up to us". This is what dogs do. It's blatant cowardice. We as Americans have the ability to leave the rest of the world in our dust if we choose to do so, economically, militarily and technologically. I work for the military and I can tell you for a FACT that Americans are the most ferocious, well trained warriors the world has ever or will ever see and that includes our CIVILIAN population. We are also very longsuffering and shouldn't be "cowtowing" to others out of fear.

[larmus]

+100 Dragnuov to both statements...

[Dragunov]

Thank you.
I just feel like we should keep the "I'll help you in any way I can, feed you, give you medicine and help protect you from evil but if you screw with me, I *WILL* put a foot in your ass" personna and attitude. It's the American way. Let's face it. We have been "volunteered" to be the worlds police force by virtually every other country on this wet rock. Unfortunately, due to our might. If we become weak, the rest of the world WILL fall into chaos.

On another note, I have a couple of friends who were in both the Soviet army and are now in the U.S. army. They have told me that they think that Americans and Russians are more alike than any other two peoples on this planet as far as attitudes of the commoners go. We are BOTH frontier countries and have that mentality. They have also said that even our National Guard (since Iraq) is far better trained than almost any branch in the Russian army. They've both told me that the American civilian was just as feared by them as our military due to the fact we are all armed and shoot. THAT is what kept the soviet army on their side of the world. THAT is how important our 2ndA rights are to us and the rest of the world. They are now both PROUD that they are now a part of the finest group of warriors the world has ever seen and I'm proud of these ex-soviets for their courage, insight and honesty. That says alot folks!

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dragunov

tlarkin, I respect your views as they are well thought out. However, I respectfully and adamantly disagree with you. I don't like the idea of running to another country with our tail between our legs because we're afraid "they'll someday catch up to us". This is what dogs do. It's blatant cowardice. We as Americans have the ability to leave the rest of the world in our dust if we choose to do so, economically, militarily and technologically. I work for the military and I can tell you for a FACT that Americans are the most ferocious, well trained warriors the world has ever or will ever see and that includes our CIVILIAN population. We are also very longsuffering and shouldn't be "cowtowing" to others out of fear.

Oh I don't disagree with you on those points at all sir. I also think our military is surpassed by no one on our planet. There is a reason they are best and that is because we have the capacity, and the money to spend to train the best military in the world.

Our civilians I agree too. When I did martial arts I met many different sifus and senseis that came over from Asia. A lot of them said that they find Americans more passionate about martial arts than the Asians are, and it is part of their own heritage. I have no idea how true this statement is because I have never gone and checked all the kwoons and dojos over in Asia and ran the numbers.

I don't think Obama is walking around with his tail between his legs either. I think being polite and hearing other's needs is needed for politics and I don't think for a second Obama wouldn't use the military if it had to be done. He gave the order to take out the priates.

I don't think respecting someone else's culture is weak. I think as we are one of the more powerful nations in the world it is our duty to act respectful regardless of what others do because that is how America is. We should hold ourselves to the highest of standards.

Thanks for your comments and your service. I'd buy you a beer if you were near me and we could talk man to man.

have a good weekend.