[Kodiak32]

I agree with many of the posts, but Troy summed things up pretty well.

Everything depends on location and situation, but I would want to exchange information and trade items when possible. If the person or persons were good I would try to add them to my group if possible, strength is in numbers.

I would be very cautious all the same .

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by DesertRaider109

Why even attract attention to yourself with a big "DO NOT ENTER WE WILL SHOOT" sign? All that tells people is that there are well-supplied and well-stocked people inside that they should try and loot. Nah, keep em guessing. Put up a few "BIOHAZARD" and "WARNING: CHEMICALS" signs or something. See if anyone enters when they see that. Make them think there's nothing to be had on this land. And if anyone does come on your property, fire some warning shots to make them get the hell off it. If they continue to advance, that's when you shoot them. Bottom line is that during SHTF, the best thing to do is just to not be noticed.

I'm fond of ...
CAUTION
DO NOT ENTER
Alligator Farm
Tresspassers will be eaten.

[Lobo0311]

Quote:       Originally Posted by DesertRaider109

Why even attract attention to yourself with a big "DO NOT ENTER WE WILL SHOOT" sign? All that tells people is that there are well-supplied and well-stocked people inside that they should try and loot. Nah, keep em guessing. Put up a few "BIOHAZARD" and "WARNING: CHEMICALS" signs or something. See if anyone enters when they see that. Make them think there's nothing to be had on this land. And if anyone does come on your property, fire some warning shots to make them get the hell off it. If they continue to advance, that's when you shoot them. Bottom line is that during SHTF, the best thing to do is just to not be noticed.

I'm reminded of a friend of mine that has posted on his front door a target he used while getting his CCW with the caption that reads " Trepass here, PLEEEASE". Not quite sure how that'd go over with local Law Enforcement. What ever happened to no solicitors, or no trepassing signs?

[bigrebnc1861]

Quote:       Originally Posted by privateer

Ok dang it , Now we are gonna have to come up with a Gun And game ID Patch so we know who the good guys are. I cant survive a world changing event just to be shot by one of these darn mosin nagant guys. geez if it's not one thing it's another. John

John anyone fling these flags will be the good guys.

[billy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

Think we have another one with his first gun and a Wyatt Earp syndrome. ,,,sam.

it's threads like this that make me want to follow the authorities advice during real emergencies.
STAY IN YOUR HOMES.
running around with a rifle for nothing just seems like a bad call to me.

[bigrebnc1861]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

it's threads like this that make me want to follow the authorities advice during real emergencies. STAY IN YOUR HOMES. running around with a rifle for nothing just seems like a bad call to me.

How long do you think it will take for things to get back to normal when a SHTF event happens? Stay at home? How will you eat, more then likely their will be no power, so how would you prepare your food for that matter how would you keep the parishables from going bad? What if one of your loved ones became deathly ill or hurt? Do you still stay home?

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by bigrebnc1861

How long do you think it will take for things to get back to normal when a SHTF event happens? Stay at home? How will you eat, more then likely their will be no power, so how would you prepare your food for that matter how would you keep the parishables from going bad? What if one of your loved ones became deathly ill or hurt? Do you still stay home?

If there's a major catastrophe, it still isn't going to turn into a Mad Max world where everyone shoots on sight. People who have visions of heroically roaming the streets and the hills shooting it out with everyone they meet need to get a grip.

I repeat: for much of our history, there was precious little law and government in large swaths of this country. It never was a free-for-all, where people shot at anyone they didn't know.

I don't care how catastrophic an event we may have to deal with, it simply isn't going to result in a total disintegration of society, government and law enforcement. You're never going to get to go out just shooting at everyone who moves, so folks may as well just get that out of their systems.

[bigrebnc1861]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

If there's a major catastrophe, it still isn't going to turn into a Mad Max world where everyone shoots on sight. People who have visions of heroically roaming the streets and the hills shooting it out with everyone they meet need to get a grip. I repeat: for much of our history, there was precious little law and government in large swaths of this country. It never was a free-for-all, where people shot at anyone they didn't know. I don't care how catastrophic an event we may have to deal with, it simply isn't going to result in a total disintegration of society, government and law enforcement. You're never going to get to go out just shooting at everyone who moves, so folks may as well just get that out of their systems.

What I posted was made for this reply

"it's threads like this that make me want to follow the authorities advice during real emergencies.
STAY IN YOUR HOMES.
running around with a rifle for nothing just seems like a bad call to me."

No one is going to be able to stay home for any period of time. I am not sure but maybe we learned a thing or two with what happened in New Orleans. The Government was more dangerous to the public when they started confiscating weapons from those who where left behind.

[Lobo0311]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

If there's a major catastrophe, it still isn't going to turn into a Mad Max world where everyone shoots on sight. People who have visions of heroically roaming the streets and the hills shooting it out with everyone they meet need to get a grip. I repeat: for much of our history, there was precious little law and government in large swaths of this country. It never was a free-for-all, where people shot at anyone they didn't know. I don't care how catastrophic an event we may have to deal with, it simply isn't going to result in a total disintegration of society, government and law enforcement. You're never going to get to go out just shooting at everyone who moves, so folks may as well just get that out of their systems.

I think you have a valid point, in that society may not COMPLETELY break down, however I think it would be prudent to err on the side of caution. Most of us in here, I'm guessing, are already armed a large percent of the time. We would need to maintain vigilance ( not vigilantism) and keep an eye out for those NOT in a postion to as readily defend themselves and their families, as ANY breakdown, no matter how trivial it may be, is bound to give the predators in society the inch they've been waiting for since those in a positon of authority are going to be tied up with the "Big Picture", and may not have the man power available to patrol or otherwise render assistance to the whole of the community. We, who are able to do so, will need to watch out for, #1 our own, #2 those who may need assistance, along with #2 we'd need to be watchful for those who have less than honorable intentions. JMO

[GatorDude]

Here is my take. I'm not shooting anybody without a legally justifiable cause. Even if the SHTF scenario happens, the law is STILL the law. Right is still right and wrong is even wronger than normal. We don't get to run around grabbing big screen TVs from storefronts and we don't get to shoot people just because they haven't shaved in three days. I will not put on tiger stripe camo and patrol the community independently with a FN-FAL. However, I will be prepared to defend my home.

IF it is apparent the S is going to be around for an extended period and that violence is a problem, then I will band with remaining neighbors and government leaders to establish temporary government over the neighborhood. If the town needs to deputize selected citizens or something like that, I'm all up for it as needed. I think the immediate need would be for people to band together to restore basic services and law over as large a community as practical.

If all law and order is somehow swept away, then it would be up to remaining citizens to reconstitute government in accordance with the constitution of the state and nation.

[billy]

i dont believe in SHTF

[tlarkin]

This reminds me of an old samurai fable...

Two Samurai are walking along the same path from opposite directions towards each other. They meet each other on a bridge over a river. The bridge is too small for them to walk past each other, so they stop and make eye contact. They stare at each other for a full day, with out blinking or moving a muscle. After that day passed at the same time both of them turn around and walk the other way back the way they came from.


Think about that for a second, what just happened?

[M14man]

I love riddles like that. I'd guess each one realizes that the other one has a dozen friends on the shore behind him. Just a guess, and I really don't know.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by M14man

I love riddles like that. I'd guess each one realizes that the other one has a dozen friends on the shore behind him. Just a guess, and I really don't know.

Well, it is one of those things that doesn't have a right or wrong answer. The classic answer is that they both need to pass, and they are both of equal rank and skill. Neither of them wants to die, so they call it an out right draw and just go their separate ways.

It really could mean tons of different things though, your answer is just as right as any.

Now, think if you saw another American in a SHTF scenario, and you met them face to face, had no idea who they were, what they could do and if they were armed. You didn't want to kill but you didn't want to be killed either. What would happen? Again, there is no right or wrong answer either.

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

This reminds me of an old samurai fable... Two Samurai are walking along the same path from opposite directions towards each other. They meet each other on a bridge over a river. The bridge is too small for them to walk past each other, so they stop and make eye contact. They stare at each other for a full day, with out blinking or moving a muscle. After that day passed at the same time both of them turn around and walk the other way back the way they came from. Think about that for a second, what just happened?

That's an older culture...whoever blinked first would have shown weakness. Holding the gaze of another person is considered rude in Japan. The Japanese usually focus on a person’s neck or tie knot. At a certain point, they both knew neither had an advantage and both held fast to their honor by returning the way they came.

I'd also bet there were more than a few minor body movements in a discipline known as...hrm...maybe I'd best not mention that. Let's just say that there is a unspoken language that can be learned IF you find the right people. And it sure ain't Sign Language...lol

Also, there is this...The Japanese believe truth is dependent upon circumstances and obligations to other people. Nothing should be allowed to disrupt the surface harmony of the individual, therefore, the Japanese will often give an answer they believe will please the listener. And you are unlikely to find many who will speak ill of the Samurai and will quite simply seek to slightly boost up the exploits...much like we have done with many of our Old West Heros, for example.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big shrek

That's an older culture...whoever blinked first would have shown weakness. Holding the gaze of another person is considered rude in Japan. The Japanese usually focus on a person’s neck or tie knot. At a certain point, they both knew neither had an advantage and both held fast to their honor by returning the way they came. I'd also bet there were more than a few minor body movements in a discipline known as...hrm...maybe I'd best not mention that. Let's just say that there is a unspoken language that can be learned IF you find the right people. And it sure ain't Sign Language...lol Also, there is this...The Japanese believe truth is dependent upon circumstances and obligations to other people. Nothing should be allowed to disrupt the surface harmony of the individual, therefore, the Japanese will often give an answer they believe will please the listener. And you are unlikely to find many who will speak ill of the Samurai and will quite simply seek to slightly boost up the exploits...much like we have done with many of our Old West Heros, for example.

It is just an old tale, like an idiom. It is not meant to be taken literally. I have studied many different Asian martial arts, and their culture and their religions. This was meant to be a story to teach a lesson, or invoke critical thinking, it was not meant to be taken literally.

While, I don't disagree with what you are saying, I think you missed the point of the story. It is after all, just a story.

[M14man]

quote Tlarkin "Now, think if you saw another American in a SHTF scenario, and you met them face to face, had no idea who they were, what they could do and if they were armed. You didn't want to kill but you didn't want to be killed either. What would happen? Again, there is no right or wrong answer either." quote

The question is what are they going to do?
In shtf situations like that, exposing ones self in the open is a bad idea.
There will be renegades that will kill for your weapon, or kill because they can see you. Let others test the safety of going out exposed. Me I will stay hidden and hard to see until things stabilize with some normalcy

[Lobo0311]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

This reminds me of an old samurai fable... Two Samurai are walking along the same path from opposite directions towards each other. They meet each other on a bridge over a river. The bridge is too small for them to walk past each other, so they stop and make eye contact. They stare at each other for a full day, with out blinking or moving a muscle. After that day passed at the same time both of them turn around and walk the other way back the way they came from. Think about that for a second, what just happened?

By "western' thinking I would simply back out let the other guy pass then continue on my way. That is presuming he didnt show any intent to harm.

[HEMI]

I don't believe in fans.

[sea_chicken1]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Either a white Flag...Or The Confederate Battle Flag ! LOL

Better not pull up with an obama bumper sticker either to be on the safe side.