looks like one of those "We are SACRIFICING this gun at its current price, cuz we were too dumb to see it for the fake it is" kinda deals. Like those "rare" M44 snipers.
you guys might want to look into it a bit more before making your decisions. when was the last time you saw a hungarian 91/30? they're rarer than mosin snipers. i don't want to even try and imagine how rare a hungarian 91/30 converted to a sniper by hungary is. looks like the real deal to me. if i had expendable cash, i'd be all over that deal.
"Hungarian M/52 sniper rifles are the rarest examples of the PU family, and, since standard Hungarian 91/30 rifles are even rarer than their scoped cousins, the author is not aware of any counterfeit examples. They are readily recognized by their higher standard of manufacture, a deeper blue/black finish of all metal, and a profusion of “02” (apparently the Eastern Bloc designation for Hungarian manufactured weaponry) stamps on just about every component of the weapon - right down to the shaft of the cleaning rod. Unlike their Russian cousins, the author has found no evidence of any number being stamped on the left side of the chamber, likewise the scope mount components – which also display finer attention to detail during manufacture - are generally unmarked, save for customary “02” stamps.
The marking on the rifle’s chamber are utilitarian – an 02 above the year of manufacture and then the serial number, which is generally two letters followed by four digits. To date the author has only encountered M/52 rifles with BC prefixes. Stocks of M/52 rifles inspected by the author in Australia have the customary 02 marking on the right side of the butt and are coated in a durable dark brown finish. There is also evidence of “blonder’ – almost yellow – timber on unissued rifles in collections in the United States. Like the Russian rifles, the Hungarian stocks have a brass-reinforced “dog collar” sling mount slots. M/52 rifles can be fitted with an all leather sling, or webbing varieties in varying colours – again the 02 marking readily denotes their origin. Hungarian scopes are identical to the Russian PU optics except for the markings – on all examples seen by the author, all markings are in white with the scope number being a “41” (apparently an indication of Hungarian-manufactured optics, also seen on military issue binoculars), above a four digit year of manufacture, and then a serial. There is also another four digit number, indicating the serial of the rifle the scope was issued with. Hungarian M/52 rifles have been encountered with Russian manufactured scopes or mounts, but whether these came together in the various countries the weapons were exported to as military aid during re-build programs, or the components were fitted to rifles without optical sights by civilian collectors can only be conjecture. "
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I'm skeptical. They say the bore is in "ok shape". To me that sounds like it was shot at least a decent amount and not taken care of quite well enough. Doesn't say pitting, so I don't think it's corrosion. My M38 has a pretty darn good bore and it's been shot a good bit. I personally have a couple hundred through it. Taking this into acount, the bolt on the "hungarian" rifle isn't worn at all. There should be a strip of worn area down the length of the bolt where it rubbed against the receiver. The fact that there is none should mean that it was never issued. If it was never issued, the bore would be in perfect condition.
lol! i thought i was cynical. has anyone looked at what it would take to fake a 91/30 hungarian? then to fake it into a sniper?
maybe i should put my glasses on and study it harder, i might be the one who's missing the obvious. or maybe i should figure out all the tricks that guy used to make up the way more rare mosin sniper variant. i got a few 91/30's i can scrub. now to find the teeney-weeenie dies to get the 02 stamps where they belong. then get the scope guy to stop laser engraving and put a real hungarian stamp on the scope. don't forget the right kind of wood for the stock, hungary doesn't seem to have much birch. it's also hard to fake a m44 hungarian stock on a 91/30. they don't seem to mesh well.
lol i should just buy the darn thing. seems nooone else thinks it's real. since they never seen one.
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hell with it. i just looked again. i think it's cool as reindeer pee. i'm gonna take the extra 91/30 i was gonna throw a pu on and fake one. now where to find the stamps. any info would be appreciated.
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I hate to tell you skeptics , but it is NOT a Fake !
It is the real deal...as far as faking one ,it would be IMPOSSIBLE to Match the stampings that they used when that gun was assembled.
You couldnt even match the stampings if you had the actual Hungarian stamps to do it with...
That rifle is worth about 2000 in the condition it is in , maybe more...It is a rare Mosin...Not seen everyday for sale anywhere.
Rich
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I hate to tell you skeptics , but it is NOT a Fake !
It is the real deal...as far as faking one ,it would be IMPOSSIBLE to Match the stampings that they used when that gun was assembled.
You couldnt even match the stampings if you had the actual Hungarian stamps to do it with...
That rifle is worth about 2000 in the condition it is in , maybe more...It is a rare Mosin...Not seen everyday for sale anywhere.
Rich
You gonna break down and spend some of that gold slurry and buy it Rich?
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I'm with Moose and R5C. That rifle would be nearly impossible to fake! You don't see Hungarian 91/30s much less the Hungarian bayonet, scope and mount.
I have done business with the seller. He's a straight up guy and a sniper expert.
As for the bore condition, a little neglect over the past 55 years probably explains it. All it takes is to not clean after firing and some damp weather to rust the bore. At least he's up front about it.
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