Per Associated Press Monday morning - Obama administration officials stating middle class tax hikes may be necessary to pay for the budget shortfall on national health insurance.
So, if we are in the group that has to purchase this insurance and we are middle class it seems the plan is for us to pay on two sides of the deal.
How many of us will that tip over into losing our homes, filing bankrutcy, an other acts we would not voluntarily perform?
Well, it appears some people in the administration just woke up and realized if you taxed every family making over $250K to oblivion it still would not make up for the billions of dollars between current taxation levels and the anticipated cost of this program.
During the Great Depression there was a phrase "Brother, can you spare a dime?"
For the Obama administration it is becoming "Middle class, can you spare a few $billion?"
I'm deffinatle NOT a Fan of Obama but we do need some kind of Health Care reform where we ALL can afford it.
Insurance companys are makeing huge profits. Example: All State and State Farm now loan money on car's and house's, so they have moved beyond the Insurance bussiness due from huge profits.
Hospitals cost is enormus. The equipment, overhead and staff cost them a lot of money. So in turn they charge high prices.
A way to bring down hospital cost is if more people had Insurance.
If Health Care reform is passed like Obama wants it's it will add more burden to working people.
I wonder since our goverment is so adament about makeing health care available to all U.S. citicen's if they could enter in and partner with Insurance companys.
We subsidise farmers so why not subsidise the Insurance companys ?
If enough people are paying for Insurance rates the rates should come down and if the cost of a certain individual exceeds the policy then let the goverment money takes over.
Would something like this work ?????
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Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 08-03-2009 at 11:02 AM.
I believe middle class is defined as not on the government tit - 250k. 250k+ is rich which is laughable if you live in new york city or some parts of California.
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Insurance is a completely capitalistic enterprise and should never be treated like anything else. The irony is that it then socializes emergency costs, but don't let that fool you into thinking it's anything but a risk managing profit making enterprise.
The problem is that your choice has been taken away by government requirements of auto insurance and corporate uniformity in health insurance. With auto, at least you can choose your provider, choose your deductibles, waive collision, and get major discounts for risk reduction like safe driving history and driver's ed. Your rates are determined by the insurance company based on a mutual risk assessment, you picking coverage that you think will be the most cost effective, and them picking rates that they think will profit them the most.
Avoiding excess sugar, cholesterol, alcohol, and tobacco for lower rates would be a great idea if it were done on the free market. The free market would also recognize that fiber lowers cholesterol, exercise burns sugar, and a little bit of alcohol is actually a good thing. I doubt the Obama admin has the attention span for such things.
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I'm sure he'll say "but things are oh so different now." At least it's on tape how he promised not to raise taxes OR capital gains taxes or taxes of any kind on ANYONE making less than 250K/yr. Period. You can't backpedal from those words, but those of us with any clue knew he was lying at the time (just like about everything else).
Let's remember--this is all due to spending that we don't need to do (and that we've ALL told them NOT to do). In fact, we've just blown the cash. Gone to fat cats and payoffs for the election. This is probably the most corrupt administration in history, and the head of the treasury wanting the tax hike is a tax DODGER. Money's not even gone for anything real--just graft and boondoggles. It seems they can't destroy the economy fast enough so's they have to throw more stuff at it. Dollars to donuts if they hike revenues they'll see a net DECREASE in revenue. Uber Rich folks know how to hide their money, and the rest of us will simply stop working, max out the credit cards, have one hell of a vacation, blow the money on stuff no one wants, and go on the dole. Why work or try to do anything right anymore ? Funny we didn't learn this lesson from the other communist regimes.
Seriously, I think this will leave most normal folks reeling and there'll be shouts of "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK."
Wonder when the pitchforks and torches will start ?
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I'm deffinatle NOT a Fan of Obama but we do need some kind of Health Care reform where we ALL can afford it.
Insurance companys are makeing huge profits. Example: All State and State Farm now loan money on car's and house's, so they have moved beyond the Insurance bussiness due from huge profits.
Hospitals cost is enormus. The equipment, overhead and staff cost them a lot of money. So in turn they charge high prices.
A way to bring down hospital cost is if more people had Insurance.
If Health Care reform is passed like Obama wants it's it will add more burden to working people.
I wonder since our goverment is so adament about makeing health care available to all U.S. citicen's if they could enter in and partner with Insurance companys.
We subsidise farmers so why not subsidise the Insurance companys ?
If enough people are paying for Insurance rates the rates should come down and if the cost of a certain individual exceeds the policy then let the goverment money takes over.
Would something like this work ?????
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The problem is that we have no sense of value vs. cost when it comes to health insurance. If I am sick, I go look for the most expensive health provider who can provide what I am told I can ever hope for.
Now, if I am going to go out to eat, I look for a restaurant I can afford. I might put up with crappy service to save a few bucks.
We need something like this in healthcare. We can't expect to go to whom we please at some exuberant cost. There needs to be some kind of regulation on how we choose doctors, the cost of those doctors, what we can spend with our insurance... I sure don't want gummint run healthcare. They can't do anything right.
Soon, we will see nurses behind glass bulletproof windows, and to get in, you must pass a criminal background check. Not to mention, at some point, there will be security checks at every doctor's office. Let's give up our gun rights some more while we're at it, why not...
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The drug companies, the lobbyists, the lawyers, the insurance companies and the guvment officials who let their choke hold on medical prices need to get knocked down a rung or two. Our sue happy nation and the jury's that award ridiculous compensation are also to blame.
Im not saying that there should not be a standard in quality at all, but it has all been blown out of proportion so high now that poor & middle class cant afford it. Another thing ruining our health care is the people with insurance that run to the ER or go to the doctor for every stinking thing. Government medical for public aid is already a huge mess that cant pay for itself... at least in my sorry state, so why would national work any better with the current status quo?
I do honestly think that it could work... but not a rush job, take the time, iron it out, clean out the excess baggage and tycoons fleecing the industry and make it work right. Why doesnt the govt get involved now, do a congressional investigation on our current health care system, see why its not working then put together a plan to institute something of value to us government supporting tax payers. Anything the government rushes through has hidden agendas and something to hide no matter what party is putting it through.
Anyway, I am poor, going to school on the GI Bill at 35 years old, if not for the VA healthcare I wouldnt have squat. I will tell you this, it does have its problems but from the care I have gotten from them here lately I am very pleased. Of course this healthcare came at a price to me personally and I had to earn what I am receiving. I think this nation needs to get back to that. Get away from the wellfare nation and get towards the "You get what You EARN" nation.
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If you think it is bad now, try reading and understanding the 1017 page health care reform bill. From what little I have been able to ascertain, everyone gets screwed one way or another. I listened to an interview last night on Fred Thompson's show from a person who had read the whole thing. Some of the provisions are shocking.
If you think it is bad now, try reading and understanding the 1017 page health care reform bill. From what little I have been able to ascertain, everyone gets screwed one way or another. I listened to an interview last night on Fred Thompson's show from a person who had read the whole thing. Some of the provisions are shocking.
Not only are the provisions shocking but they can be "lawyered" and interpreted in different ways. Regulatory overburdens (especially admin costs of hospitals) as well as medical malpractice suits (including pharmaceuticals) drastically drive up medical costs for us all (as does when insurance co's have to pay for inflated ER costs due to those ERs treating people who can't pay for free). This bill hikes overregulation (among other bad things) and makes everything worse. The way it'll cover these huge collateral and administrative burdens will be by limiting access to health care.
In a perverse way, this helps solve the social security/medicare problems by killing us off early (then again it might backfire by killing us all off too early and decrease revenues as well).
Think of it; our gov't couldn't handle a simple rebate program (which it shouldn't have been doing in the first place--we basically were paying out of gov't debt to take on even MORE debt as people finance new cars). Nor could it even successfully run a brothel that sold liquor in Nevada. Are YOU going to trust it with the health care of your loved ones ?
What we have is working far better than if we jumped in like we're trying to do. We need to get a handle on costs, as has been discussed previously--none of this does this (it'll actutally hike costs and limit access).
Give 'em an earful when they come home and tell them NO !!!!! SCRAP THE BILL.
Let's start off with a new one that caps malpractice settlements, makes malpractice lawyer/plaintiffs pay the defendant's legal costs if they lose a case, uses medical doctor review boards to review the actions of physicians (NOT lawyers), pulling certifications or initiating criminal action in the few cases of wrongdoing, and which cuts the overreguation of hospitals and doctors where we're filling out 20 forms where one will do. WE ALL PAY for lawsuits and overregulation of the medical industry.
THE WORST health insurance anyone might have in America today beats THE BEST we'll see out of this bill.
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