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Old 08-05-2009, 12:06 PM   #1
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Exclamation Our ''Health Care Bill" little gems

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 623 PM by CMS
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled:20you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
=E 2 Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425:=2 0Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resource s, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
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Old 08-05-2009, 12:16 PM   #2
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Wow, the only thing I think is that doctors and pharmacies charge way more than they should, but it shouldn't be government controlled. Everything else sucks.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:44 PM   #3
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Ouch! The sky is starting to fall.......run for your lives!
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:56 PM   #4
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I think most of this has already been debunked on another thread. And just incase anyone has forgotten, Health Care is already rationed by the insurance companies. There are already beaurocrats making medical desicions on your behalf. A guy I was working with Had some huge bill for an ambulance becaUse it wasn't pre-approved.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:06 PM   #5
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? Why are they doing this in the first place ?
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:14 PM   #6
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That is pretty Scary...I vote NO !
Leave Americas health care system alone !
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:14 PM   #7
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Exclamation Not ''de-bunked''

Actually not ? de-bunked to the link, as it is written

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:52 PM   #8
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Well, here is another legislative disaster for which no

one will take the blame should it pass. The responsibility of the House and Senate concerning legislation is to spend time in study/debate then pass legislation that has been made beneficial to America.

However, this process has been corrupted. Lyndon Johnson was the first master at "declare an emergency and pass it quickly" techniques.
Bush2 after 911 took this from technique to normal daily business.
Obama continues the Bush2 playbook.

Should it pass no one in the House or Senate will take any blame for the bill's problems as it was "in the national interest" or as our Representative
likes to say, "I didn't like it but I voted for it because I knew they had an even worse bill in the works".

It is all about the House and Senate abrogating their constitutional mandate.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:58 PM   #9
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Couple of straight-up, unvarnished LIES in there:

Premptive debunking of health care falsehoods.

I did try to pre-empt it.

See pages 427 and 429 that was listed? Those are falsehoods. 100% weapons-grade BS.

That makes me extraordinarily skeptical right off the bat.

Page 22. Lies.

Page 29. Lies.

Heck, this is exactly the chain letter that was referenced.

So yeah. Y'got fished in, I'm afraid.

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Old 08-05-2009, 03:04 PM   #10
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its probably not going to pay very well to be a doctor, not only will you now be employed by the US government if you become a doctor (hurray im sure) you will be taxed more and more
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:51 PM   #11
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Re-visited

hmmmmmm Generally? I don't bother with re-visiting something:

As has been stated?? all lies; a chain letter? I checked before posting.

read page 427; and the latitude given to ?professionals? to make your end of life decisions.

These are written by ?lawyers? and my life is to hang by their wordings

I agree to disagree
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:28 PM   #12
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Don't know how the goverment would do with health care, still watching the wonderful jobs it's doing with the Post office, V.A . Man they couldn't run a whore house{ Mustang ranch} for more than a year , man how could that happen?
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:39 PM   #13
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its probably not going to pay very well to be a doctor, not only will you now be employed by the US government if you become a doctor (hurray im sure) you will be taxed more and more
Doctors in England ain't hurting any.

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Old 08-05-2009, 04:42 PM   #14
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No Dr. anywhere is struggling, except here maybe because they have to go chasing people to get paid. I will say this though, Nurses in the UK are under paid.
the thing to remember is that this is America. we can look at other situations around the world, take what works and improve the rest.
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The question I keep asking the people who believe in either Obamacare or Teddycare is this: if national health insurace plans are so wonderful and so effective, why do subjects of governments who have such national health care plans keep coming to the United States to have major procedures done?

Answer: Because in the United States, you don't have unreasonable waiting periods for the treatments such that you may die before the national health care system gets around to your turn for the treatment.

Even the British National Health Service has a two-tiered system. Her Majesty's Government guarantees free health care for everyone - but anyone who can afford it has a private doctor, and there are private pay-it-yourself hospitals where you don't have to wait for what may literally be the rest of your life to get an urgently-needed treatment. If this national health care bill (which Obama still hasn't really explained how the government will pay for other than to note he's planning to rape the companies and their employees to pay for those who cannot afford health insurance) becomes law, I think America is going to end up with a de facto if not de jure two-tiered system. Honestly, I think he'd be better off simply expanding Medicare instead of trying to leave his mark on the fabric of America by forcing this kludge of his through Congress.
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so, I still don't see a problem. If you can only afford a mediocre plan (like me at the moment) you certainly won't be any worse off. If you are bill Gates, Will Smith, Ted Nugent stc you can go see any beverly hills Dr. you want.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:25 PM   #17
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Debunked to the current administration means vilified. Haven’t you heard that anyone who questions this idiotic plan is just a rich white racists? That is all…….if you don’t believe me ask MS. Boxer
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Quote:       Originally Posted by Coeloptera View Post
Doctors in England ain't hurting any.

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I don't want to live in England with the elderly denied certain procedures based on age. I don't want to live in Canada long waiting list for treatment. I don’t want to live in Spain with over 17% unemployment do to their crap and trade type policies. If the great spender loves these countries and their broken systems so much he should go there. Heck I am sure I can take up a collection to pay for his ticket provided he promises to never come back……
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Complete malarkey. It's amazing how much of it is just shameless lies; the opponents of this bill aren't even trying to be honest.

For example, this little gem:

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

What page 59 really does is authorize the government to accept electronic funds transfers. In other words, you'll be allowed to use your ATM card...
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:45 PM   #20
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I think most of this has already been debunked on another thread. And just incase anyone has forgotten, Health Care is already rationed by the insurance companies. There are already beaurocrats making medical desicions on your behalf. A guy I was working with Had some huge bill for an ambulance becaUse it wasn't pre-approved.
My health care isn't rationed by anything but my bank account, which is how it should be.

I have only a basic major medical policy that doesn't really cover much of anything besides a life threatening event. I rarely go to the doctor, but when I do they ask what insurance I have. I tell them that I will be paying cash and, wonder of wonders, I usually get a 50% or so rate cut and the doctor usually says something like "We can do this test if you want, but you don't really need it. Here's a handful of free meds that should fix you up."

Remember folks, the insurance companies are not a charity. They take in more than they pay out. Think about it.
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