Free riot/crowd control training

DaTeacha · 08-12-2009, 03:36 PM

Food for thought - The Department of Homeland Security is providing free training in riot and crowd control, coupled with 3 days of time and transportation to the training site, plus CEU credit for any and all LEO's through their departments.

This information is via an email from my local militiaist, who included a series of emails between him and an LE training officer here in Ohio.

Does this portend some level of preparation for use of this training soon? According to him, it is yet another warning sign that there will soon be occasion to use force to quell civil unrest.

Has anyone else here heard about this training? How about those here with ties to LE? Why would Homeland Security be offering it? That does not seem to be in their area of responsibility.

ArkansasHunter · 08-12-2009, 03:51 PM

Signs of the Time's I suppose. I figger our Gubbermint thinks they no longer represent the people of this great nation.
But others that want to change what our Forefathers envishioned which is a free nation with Liberty's that know other Nation has and the persuite of happyness.

These others want us put down and made subgects to them, they want to force there socialist lifestyle on us.

They want to wipe our ass...Seems like it... But you know they must think were stupid and layed back where they can implement there agenda opon us.

But there finding resistance, were not that stupid and layed back as they thought we were.

Thus the reason they offer riot control training and have set up consentration camps out of fear for types like me that believe America ain't broke and we dang sure don't need our way of life fixed like they want it to be !!!

The Skum and bottom feeders have taken over our Federal Goverment, let's hope and pray in 2010 we can get rid this crowd of bought off, Non god fearing low life breakers of the Constitution !!!...A.H

wunhunglo · 08-12-2009, 04:05 PM

I know our cops (British) regularly practise their Riot/crowd control so I would have thought that this sort of training was standard op procedure for all Police farces.

Ten Man · 08-12-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Signs of the Time's I suppose. I figger our Gubbermint thinks they no longer represent the people of this great nation.
But others that want to change what our Forefathers envishioned which is a free nation with Liberty's that know other Nation has and the persuite of happyness.

These others want us put down and made subgects to them, they want to force there socialist lifestyle on us.

They want to wipe our ass...Seems like it... But you know they must think were stupid and layed back where they can implement there agenda opon us.

But there finding resistance, were not that stupid and layed back as they thought we were.

Thus the reason they offer riot control training and have set up consentration camps out of fear for types like me that believe America ain't broke and we dang sure don't need our way of life fixed like they want it to be !!!

The Skum and bottom feeders have taken over our Federal Goverment, let's hope and pray in 2010 we can get rid this crowd of bought off, Non god fearing low life breakers of the Constitution !!!...A.H

+ 100, A.H.

I might add that waiting until 2010 is TOO LONG. We don't HAVE to wait for the "rigged" elections, and hope for better outcomes. We already know that it will not happen, based on what we have seen previously. There are other ways to effect political change, that are well within the construct of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and the precepts of the United States of America.

The premise of Homeland Security offering free "riot control" training for LEOs nation wide, portends a less than desirable vision of social response to their agenda. Any prudent individual would interpret that line of action as a preparation for handling civil protests to government programs that are less than optimal for the citizens' well being. Examples from previous dictatorship and oligarch governments are too numerous to count.

Be prepared for the worst. Anything less ominous is a blessing.

troy2000 · 08-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ten Man

+ 100, A.H.

I might add that waiting until 2010 is TOO LONG. We don't HAVE to wait for the "rigged" elections, and hope for better outcomes. We already know that it will not happen, based on what we have seen previously. There are other ways to effect political change, that are well within the construct of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and the precepts of the United States of America.

The premise of Homeland Security offering free "riot control" training for LEOs nation wide, portends a less than desirable vision of social response to their agenda. Any prudent individual would interpret that line of action as a preparation for handling civil protests to government programs that are less than optimal for the citizens' well being. Examples from previous dictatorship and oligarch governments are too numerous to count.

Be prepared for the worst. Anything less ominous is a blessing.

So what exactly are you proposing to do, instead of waiting for the elections? Whatever it is, here's some friendly advice: if it involves violence or the threat of violence, as in any sort of insurrection, or targeting cops, officials or judges, or anything else of the sort, don't try it in my town.

Brother Bob · 08-12-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

So what exactly are you proposing to do, instead of waiting for the elections? Whatever it is, here's some friendly advice: if it involves violence or the threat of violence, as in any sort of insurrection, or targeting cops, officials or judges, or anything else of the sort, don't try it in my town.

.... and just where is it you live, Troy? LOL!

jmp8927 · 08-12-2009, 05:05 PM

Or they could just be preparing for the worst possible outcome and training in how to properly handle it. It's my opinion that riots are created and carried on by the "Skum and bottom feeders". Respectable, law abiding citizens have no place in them. As for elections being rigged, I don't think that's possible on a large enough scale in do much of anything. I think the 2010 elections will see a lot of the politicians who're causing trouble to be ousted in favor of the more conservative crowd.

big boomer · 08-12-2009, 05:11 PM

Took that training back in 1971 must be a lot different now.

DesertRaider109 · 08-12-2009, 05:17 PM

Shut up Troy, let us fantasize! :P

woody1981 · 08-12-2009, 05:23 PM

+1 jmp8927--> I think the 2010 elections will see a lot of the politicians who're causing trouble to be ousted in favor of the more conservative crowd.

Did anybody see Senator Arlen Spector's meeting yesterday in Lebanon Pennsylvania over the health care bill? He got his clock cleaned by nearly everyone there. He just stood somewhat dumbfounded.

He is on borrowed time, and will most likely NOT be reelected. He always was too liberal of a Republican, and now went off the deep end by changing to the Democrat party, where he fits better. Goodbye, Arlen.

Does anybody else have a member of the House or Senate who is on the cusp?

JimBob · 08-12-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jmp8927

Or they could just be preparing for the worst possible outcome and training in how to properly handle it. It's my opinion that riots are created and carried on by the "Skum and bottom feeders". Respectable, law abiding citizens have no place in them. As for elections being rigged, I don't think that's possible on a large enough scale in do much of anything. I think the 2010 elections will see a lot of the politicians who're causing trouble to be ousted in favor of the more conservative crowd.

It got Kennedy elected in 1960.Welcome to the world of Chicago style politics,remember"vote early and vote often".

Cyrano · 08-12-2009, 05:28 PM

Troy likely has the right of it. But outside the big cities, and not all of them, how often are there riots? And are they real riots, like Watts in 1965 or New York City during the Blackout of 1977, with looting, gunfire and people beating up on other people? Or are they rowdy partying, like what happened in Boston in 2004 when my beloved Red Sox won the World Series for the first time in 86 years and there was drinking and dancing in the streets, especially by Fenway Park?

This is not the 1960s, when every major city trained its cops in riot control because the antiwar protesters would show up, hold a protest and have some demagogue whip up the crowd and encourage them to "stick it to The Man" by smashing symbols of the Establishment like banks, post offices, municipal offices and ROTC buildings on college campuses. It's not the Deep South in the late 1950s either, with sheriffs like Bull Connor using water cannons and attack dogs on civil rights marchers. I live within commuting distance of New York City, and the last real riots we had in New York City were the Crown Heights Riots of 1991. Sure, since them we've had UN protests, polticial protests and anti-Iraq War protests that got ugly, with people being arrested for what amounts to rabble-rousing or throwing some punches. We've had people throw eggs at the cars of visiting politicians ) and jeer at them (including Slick Willy, back when he was President; people would throw things at his limo and yell, "Stay in Washington and screw up THEIR traffic, you jerk!" and like that because every time the useless bastard came to town, it would screw up traffic all day and night. New Yorkers don't need out of towners to help them create traffic jams). New York City has gone delerious with joy when a sports team wins a championship and they go dancing in the streets and it may get just a little drunk out. But there hasn't been a real RIOT in almost twenty years. Most of the police that got real riot experience are either very senior cops who don't work the streets any more, or they are long since retired.

People are starting to gather and express their disapproval of the yankee gummint the way they did during Vietnam. You're seeing picket signs and bumper stickers. People are gathering and listening to grassroots and professional orators, depending on the subject. (I phrase it that way so I can get Bobby Kennedy Jr., who is speaking out against Big Pharma and their mandatory vaccine program instituted by the gummint in there.) They can get worked up; and it's not a long step from worked-up crowd to angry mob looking to break something to vent their rage at the gummint/big bidness/that jerk in the White House/the war/the economy/the Democrats/the Republicans/ pick your hobbyhorse. To maintain order, the police do need to learn how to handle rioters without having to resort to gunplay. Homeland Security is making the training available. I think that's all this is.

I do not believe the allegations from questionable sources that the US government has established concentration camps to hold citizens they feel are a threat to the Establishment. I don't see even Obama and his minions daring to go that far. They might get away with trying it once - but then the citizens and the police outside the cities would rise up and tear the current administration down. I've seen a lot of surveys that have police saying they would not attempt to enforce a gun confiscation scheme, and the USMC is on record as saying such an order would be illegal and would not be obeyed. I presume the other services see the issue the same way, and would not obey orders that contravene the Constitution.

Even so, I believe in the old Cossack proverb, "Our swords are our freedom." Guns have replaced swords in the modern world. As long as we have them, I do not think we need to worry too much about the police departments in medium and large cities receiving riot control training. They'll need it if the Democrats pick their town for the 2012 National Convention!

troy2000 · 08-12-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

.... and just where is it you live, Troy? LOL!

Well, there's a bumper sticker that says something like, "I carry a Smith & Wesson three nights of the week. You guess which three."

It's kind of like that with where I live. Let the would-be insurrectionists wonder whether the town they're about to start trouble in is mine....

kansascoyote · 08-12-2009, 07:08 PM

Under martial law everything is legal . If you can get your enemy to march on washington and state capitals and it gets out of hand with a little poking . Bam . Martial law. Just think about it the idea is not that far fetched .

waterdog · 08-12-2009, 07:33 PM

lets all hope it dosen't get to that.but people are getting pissed on both sides, don't need any matches near that can of gas.

waterdog · 08-12-2009, 07:40 PM

Troy , if they come your way they will prolly be armed with something more than pickett signs and bumper stickers.

troy2000 · 08-12-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by waterdog

Troy , if they come your way they will prolly be armed with something more than pickett signs and bumper stickers.

So am I. And so are my family, friends and neighbors.

So are the police, county sheriffs and National Guard. Not to mention the major Marine and air bases within easy striking distance....

troy2000 · 08-12-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kansascoyote

Under martial law everything is legal . If you can get your enemy to march on washington and state capitals and it gets out of hand with a little poking . Bam . Martial law. Just think about it the idea is not that far fetched .

That isn't true. There are limits on what can legally be done under martial law in this country.

If you're saying what the laws say will become irrelevant under martial law, you don't think much of the millions of people in our government and our armed forces. They aren't some occupying force and puppet government; they're your fellow Americans. Have a little more faith in them than that.

kansascoyote · 08-12-2009, 10:35 PM

As for individuals in the military I hold them next to god and country troy . The idiots we have in washington all of them not just you wacko freinds hell no I don't trust them any more than hit your house from here with a sling shot. If you do well what can I say . I will pray for you twice tonight.

troy2000 · 08-12-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kansascoyote

As for individuals in the military I hold them next to god and country troy . The idiots we have in washington all of them not just you wacko freinds hell no I don't trust them any more than hit your house from here with a sling shot. If you do well what can I say . I will pray for you twice tonight.

If you've become that bitter and cynical about every single person in a position of power or responsibility, we might want to pause for a minute and consider who really needs the prayers.

08-12-2009, 03:36 PM	#1
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 3,645	Free riot/crowd control training Food for thought - The Department of Homeland Security is providing free training in riot and crowd control, coupled with 3 days of time and transportation to the training site, plus CEU credit for any and all LEO's through their departments. This information is via an email from my local militiaist, who included a series of emails between him and an LE training officer here in Ohio. Does this portend some level of preparation for use of this training soon? According to him, it is yet another warning sign that there will soon be occasion to use force to quell civil unrest. Has anyone else here heard about this training? How about those here with ties to LE? Why would Homeland Security be offering it? That does not seem to be in their area of responsibility. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

08-12-2009, 03:51 PM	#2
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 18,224	Signs of the Time's I suppose. I figger our Gubbermint thinks they no longer represent the people of this great nation. But others that want to change what our Forefathers envishioned which is a free nation with Liberty's that know other Nation has and the persuite of happyness. These others want us put down and made subgects to them, they want to force there socialist lifestyle on us. They want to wipe our ass...Seems like it... But you know they must think were stupid and layed back where they can implement there agenda opon us. But there finding resistance, were not that stupid and layed back as they thought we were. Thus the reason they offer riot control training and have set up consentration camps out of fear for types like me that believe America ain't broke and we dang sure don't need our way of life fixed like they want it to be !!! The Skum and bottom feeders have taken over our Federal Goverment, let's hope and pray in 2010 we can get rid this crowd of bought off, Non god fearing low life breakers of the Constitution !!!...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 08-12-2009 at 03:57 PM.

08-12-2009, 04:05 PM	#3
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,750	I know our cops (British) regularly practise their Riot/crowd control so I would have thought that this sort of training was standard op procedure for all Police farces. __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

08-12-2009, 05:05 PM	#7
jmp8927 Hermit Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,602	Or they could just be preparing for the worst possible outcome and training in how to properly handle it. It's my opinion that riots are created and carried on by the "Skum and bottom feeders". Respectable, law abiding citizens have no place in them. As for elections being rigged, I don't think that's possible on a large enough scale in do much of anything. I think the 2010 elections will see a lot of the politicians who're causing trouble to be ousted in favor of the more conservative crowd. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

08-12-2009, 05:17 PM	#9
DesertRaider109 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 434 Blog Entries: 1	Shut up Troy, let us fantasize! :P __________________ "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

08-12-2009, 05:11 PM	#8
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 2,540	Took that training back in 1971 must be a lot different now.

08-12-2009, 05:23 PM	#10
woody1981 One of the Usual Suspects Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southwest PA Posts: 1,550 Blog Entries: 1	+1 jmp8927--> I think the 2010 elections will see a lot of the politicians who're causing trouble to be ousted in favor of the more conservative crowd. Did anybody see Senator Arlen Spector's meeting yesterday in Lebanon Pennsylvania over the health care bill? He got his clock cleaned by nearly everyone there. He just stood somewhat dumbfounded. He is on borrowed time, and will most likely NOT be reelected. He always was too liberal of a Republican, and now went off the deep end by changing to the Democrat party, where he fits better. Goodbye, Arlen. Does anybody else have a member of the House or Senate who is on the cusp? __________________ A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”~Freud

08-12-2009, 05:28 PM	#12
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 7,813	Troy likely has the right of it. But outside the big cities, and not all of them, how often are there riots? And are they real riots, like Watts in 1965 or New York City during the Blackout of 1977, with looting, gunfire and people beating up on other people? Or are they rowdy partying, like what happened in Boston in 2004 when my beloved Red Sox won the World Series for the first time in 86 years and there was drinking and dancing in the streets, especially by Fenway Park? This is not the 1960s, when every major city trained its cops in riot control because the antiwar protesters would show up, hold a protest and have some demagogue whip up the crowd and encourage them to "stick it to The Man" by smashing symbols of the Establishment like banks, post offices, municipal offices and ROTC buildings on college campuses. It's not the Deep South in the late 1950s either, with sheriffs like Bull Connor using water cannons and attack dogs on civil rights marchers. I live within commuting distance of New York City, and the last real riots we had in New York City were the Crown Heights Riots of 1991. Sure, since them we've had UN protests, polticial protests and anti-Iraq War protests that got ugly, with people being arrested for what amounts to rabble-rousing or throwing some punches. We've had people throw eggs at the cars of visiting politicians ) and jeer at them (including Slick Willy, back when he was President; people would throw things at his limo and yell, "Stay in Washington and screw up THEIR traffic, you jerk!" and like that because every time the useless bastard came to town, it would screw up traffic all day and night. New Yorkers don't need out of towners to help them create traffic jams). New York City has gone delerious with joy when a sports team wins a championship and they go dancing in the streets and it may get just a little drunk out. But there hasn't been a real RIOT in almost twenty years. Most of the police that got real riot experience are either very senior cops who don't work the streets any more, or they are long since retired. People are starting to gather and express their disapproval of the yankee gummint the way they did during Vietnam. You're seeing picket signs and bumper stickers. People are gathering and listening to grassroots and professional orators, depending on the subject. (I phrase it that way so I can get Bobby Kennedy Jr., who is speaking out against Big Pharma and their mandatory vaccine program instituted by the gummint in there.) They can get worked up; and it's not a long step from worked-up crowd to angry mob looking to break something to vent their rage at the gummint/big bidness/that jerk in the White House/the war/the economy/the Democrats/the Republicans/ pick your hobbyhorse. To maintain order, the police do need to learn how to handle rioters without having to resort to gunplay. Homeland Security is making the training available. I think that's all this is. I do not believe the allegations from questionable sources that the US government has established concentration camps to hold citizens they feel are a threat to the Establishment. I don't see even Obama and his minions daring to go that far. They might get away with trying it once - but then the citizens and the police outside the cities would rise up and tear the current administration down. I've seen a lot of surveys that have police saying they would not attempt to enforce a gun confiscation scheme, and the USMC is on record as saying such an order would be illegal and would not be obeyed. I presume the other services see the issue the same way, and would not obey orders that contravene the Constitution. Even so, I believe in the old Cossack proverb, "Our swords are our freedom." Guns have replaced swords in the modern world. As long as we have them, I do not think we need to worry too much about the police departments in medium and large cities receiving riot control training. They'll need it if the Democrats pick their town for the 2012 National Convention!

08-12-2009, 07:08 PM	#14
kansascoyote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 914 Blog Entries: 1	Under martial law everything is legal . If you can get your enemy to march on washington and state capitals and it gets out of hand with a little poking . Bam . Martial law. Just think about it the idea is not that far fetched .

08-12-2009, 07:33 PM	#15
waterdog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 743	lets all hope it dosen't get to that.but people are getting pissed on both sides, don't need any matches near that can of gas.

08-12-2009, 07:40 PM	#16
waterdog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 743	Troy , if they come your way they will prolly be armed with something more than pickett signs and bumper stickers.

08-12-2009, 10:35 PM	#19
kansascoyote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 914 Blog Entries: 1	As for individuals in the military I hold them next to god and country troy . The idiots we have in washington all of them not just you wacko freinds hell no I don't trust them any more than hit your house from here with a sling shot. If you do well what can I say . I will pray for you twice tonight.