[knightRider]

one sided when i search for radical groups there multi race and ethical ... its funny but the Islam groups are way more Right wing than any kkk group .

[lvlt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by woody1981

I can't find the link to the hate groups identified by state through the Southern LPC. It was in one of yesterday's posts. Maybe someone else can find it and repost it here. I did note, however, when I checked the kinds of groups, that there were 1 Muslim group and 1 Jewish group listed, but the most were skin-heads and KKK folks. Little one-sided, or not comprehensive?????

you found more than me, i have nothing real. just rantings, going to stop looking for awhile.


pat

[petrol]

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map

+ this from the ADF

American Front

What you might find interesting is LA RAZA, MECHA and the reconquistador movements are nowhere to be seen. Nor MS13.

[knightRider]

Quote:       Originally Posted by petrol

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map + this from the ADF American Front What you might find interesting is LA RAZA, MECHA and the reconquistador movements are nowhere to be seen. Nor MS13.

Good point , that is something i thank you for bringing into the thread . We need more threads like these , with us all helping and trying to find the truth .

[petrol]

It seems to me that the splc is more all embracing as to who it counts as a hate group than the anti defamation league. But I would like to see criminal gangs included in there.
I have no evidence, but I'd be willing to bet almost all of these hate groups get their incomes from some kind of criminal activity. And to be honest it doesn't matter to me if the skinhead thug is white, hispanic or black, scum is scum.

[knightRider]

i would say they feel a slight sympathy for LA RAZA, MECHA and the reconquistador movement .. thats why its not listed.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by lvlt

ok, i should have put "extreme right wing christian nut jobs only", and did not mean to imply anything negative about schristians generally. if indeed i did. btw, lots of us may not believe "they", or anyone else has a soul in the spiritual sense, and are not considered wacko, by the majority of the western world. most likely by the majority of this site tho. man, i need to stick to gun topics only! pat

If you believe no one has a soul, you're someone with a rational belief, although you may be outnumbered. If you believe only people with your particular skin color have a soul, you're a wack job.

Quote:       Originally Posted by woody1981

I can't find the link to the hate groups identified by state through the Southern LPC. It was in one of yesterday's posts. Maybe someone else can find it and repost it here. I did note, however, when I checked the kinds of groups, that there were 1 Muslim group and 1 Jewish group listed, but the most were skin-heads and KKK folks. Little one-sided, or not comprehensive?????

When's the last time you heard of a black, Jewish or Muslim group lynching someone? Or advocating the country be 'cleansed,' by killing or deporting anyone not of their race or religion?

There are more white, supposedly Christian hate groups in this country than any other kind, by a long shot. That's a simple fact, and any honest list will reflect it. Do you want SPLC to take some white supremacist groups off the list and find some Hispanic, black, Jewish or Muslim groups to add, for the sake of some politically correct racial and ethnic balance?

I'm not going to second-guess each individual entry on this particular list; I agree it's quite possible it's slanted. As I said, the Southern Poverty Law Center made its reputation fighting people like the KKK; they may have a built-in bias. But anyone's list would have more white groups than any other.

[lvlt]

i want ALL possible threats by any group watched and written about, and where appropriate by our leo's, don;t care which dept.
i wanted to know if the SLPC singled out white hate groups, or reported on them in a statically unbiased fashion.
i don't have enough input yet, numerically isn't the correct analysis, i will look at threat levels . if i can, then see how many standard deviations, if any, white hate goups are, from the mean, i may ask da teacha for help.
i may have difficulty obtaining threat level info fron unbiased sources, but will try.

tks for info


pat

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by lvlt

i want ALL possible threats by any group watched and written about, and where appropriate by our leo's, don;t care which dept. i wanted to know if the SLPC singled out white hate groups, or reported on them in a statically unbiased fashion. i don't have enough input yet, numerically isn't the correct analysis, i will look at threat levels . if i can, then see how many standard deviations, if any, white hate goups are, from the mean, i may ask da teacha for help. i may have difficulty obtaining threat level info fron unbiased sources, but will try. tks for info pat

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a private organization; they can watch anyone they want. They don't have to proportion it out according to what percentage of the population each race or religion they aren't obliged to make sure that 13% of the groups they watch are black, 14% are Hispanic, 4% are Asian, 1% are Jewish, .6% are Muslim, 1.4% are Mormons, etc.

And the simple fact is that white hate groups outnumber all others in this country by a huge margin. Anyone who puts together a list of hate groups is going to have a list that's largely made up of whites who claim to be Christians.

Why are you trying so hard to over-complicate things? Think about it: if only one percent of the population is Jewish, exactly how many hate groups do you think they're going to have?

[ArkansasHunter]

Quote Troy: Christian Identity groups preach that non-white or mixed-race people have no souls, and can therefore never be saved. Radical Traditionalist Catholic beliefs center around hating Jews, and blaming them for all the ills in the world.

This is Interesting to me. Do you think I'm one of these ? LOL Just in case where everyone will know.
I'm not a radical per say though I do get involved and post at these type threads.

I believe all Men which means all races are equal and all will share eternal life if there born again.

Any group that use's Christian in it's name and is known as a hate group ARE NOT Christain.

I'm only posting this for the non- believers and troy 2000...A.H

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Quote Troy: Christian Identity groups preach that non-white or mixed-race people have no souls, and can therefore never be saved. Radical Traditionalist Catholic beliefs center around hating Jews, and blaming them for all the ills in the world. This is Interesting to me. Do you think I'm one of these ? LOL Just in case where everyone will know. I'm not a radical per say though I do get involved and post at these type threads. I believe all Men which means all races are equal and all will share eternal life if there born again. Any group that use's Christian in it's name and is known as a hate group ARE NOT Christain. I'm only posting this for the non- believers and troy 2000...A.H

No, Mike. If a bunch of wingnut white whackos call themselves Christians, it doesn't mean all white Christians are whackos. I know the difference....

[lvlt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a private organization; they can watch anyone they want. They don't have to proportion it out according to what percentage of the population each race or religion they aren't obliged to make sure that 13% of the groups they watch are black, 14% are Hispanic, 4% are Asian, 1% are Jewish, .6% are Muslim, 1.4% are Mormons, etc. And the simple fact is that white hate groups outnumber all others in this country by a huge margin. Anyone who puts together a list of hate groups is going to have a list that's largely made up of whites who claim to be Christians. Why are you trying so hard to over-complicate things? Think about it: if only one percent of the population is Jewish, exactly how many hate groups do you think they're going to have?

of course they can report on whom ever they want, you are entirely missing my point. besides if they slant real facts i have no interest.

if its a fact that the vast majority of militant groups are white christian, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are the most dangerous to our safety. the number of hate groups from a particular population grouping may have no correlation to their real threat potential.

"over-complicate", hell over simplify, without sufficient facts is more like it.
i am glad u are not this sites S2 officer.
number of hate groups may not be relevant.
that would be like saying 1 squad of marines is less dangerous to an enemy, then a company of army regulars. ridiculous.

now troy, some of this is tongue in cheek, so don't get carried away---pinko.

pat

[ArkansasHunter]

Troy no offense was taken friend and I knew what you meant, but I thought I'd throw the above in just in case...Just in case...A.H

[Cyrano]

Gee, Troy, those 'Christian Identity' groups sure sound like they'd get along with the neo-Nazis and their "mud people" theories. They seem to regard anything not WASP (well, some of the Catholics and the Orthodox may be okay) as being golems. And it's okay to do whatever you want to a golem because it's not human... Religious fanatics give me the pip anyhow.

But then there's this paragraph about how the Department of Homeland Security accumulates its data. That bothers me even more.

According to data ALG obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, the DHS relied in large part on news articles, questionable Web sites and several already-public SPLC reports -- not official government sources -- in writing its "right-wing extremists" report.

Intelligence work relies on information. That's part of what Homeland Security is supposed to be doing in this area. Solid info from a reliable source is best. Unreliable information from questionable sources is supposed to be annotated as such and taken with a truckload of salt. But it seems that Homeland Security is taking the kind of claptrap you can amass from the wingnut sites on the Web and accepting it as Gospel (pun intended).

Does that not make you wonder if someone high up in government might not have an agenda? I'm not a member of the tinfoil hat brigade, but I do know that acting on wrong information generally results in bad things happening. This report seems to me as if it has a disproportionate amount of wrong information in it; and said bad intel is what the government will be taking action on. That's scary to me.