Conservative groups dismiss report on rise of militias
Conservative groups are rejecting as "anecdotal and exaggerated" a report out of the Southern Poverty Law Center that claims the election of a black president has fanned the flames of a resurgent anti-government "militia movement."
We Conservatives have a hard time swallowing ANY report put out by the SPLC - a very rabidly Elitist Radical Extremist group of the Left.....
why do u think that?
do u think they report on islamic, jdl,or any group that may pose a threat to our system or only conservative groups?
i would really be interested why you think they are from the radical left?
why do u think that?
do u think they report on islamic, jdl,or any group that may pose a threat to our system or only conservative groups?
i would really be interested why you think they are from the radical left?
pat
One way to tell is a conservative group, even if what they're saying were true, and to be quite honest, even if it is true, there's no law against what they're saying, but a conservative group isn't going to go and put out such a story on itself. lol
Or would/does it make more sense to say it this way; A conservative group isn't going to go and print something against or negative about itself or that would make itself look bad, would it? I mean sure, the left would like them to do just that, but they're not gonna. lol
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One way to tell is a conservative group, even if what they're saying were true, and to be quite honest, even if it is true, there's no law against what they're saying, but a conservative group isn't going to go and put out such a story on itself. lol
Or would/does it make more sense to say it this way; A conservative group isn't going to go and print something against or negative about itself or that would make itself look bad, would it? I mean sure, the left would like them to do just that, but they're not gonna. lol
waterdog, brilliant, and informative.
glockmeister, i just wanted to know if anyone had any real information about them, and whether they track groups other than right wing wackos.
i really want to know and was hoping not to have to research it myself.
perhaps someone on the forum may have neutral and credible info.
once in awhile someone does, without the left or right wing, no facts ranting.( not referring to you, or anyone particular)
Yeah....I guess there's nothing more left-wing radical than going after the KKK, white supremacists, black supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other real Americans....
Last year, they were keeping track of "186 separate Ku Klux Klan groups, 196 neo-nazi, 111 white nationalist, 98 racist skinhead, 39 Christian Identity, 93 neo-confederate, 113 black separatist, and 90 general hate groups subdivided into anti-gay, anti-immigrant, Holocaust denial, racist music, Radical Traditionalist Catholic groups...."
For those who whine that they're targeting "Christians":
Christian Identity groups preach that non-white or mixed-race people have no souls, and can therefore never be saved. Radical Traditionalist Catholic beliefs center around hating Jews, and blaming them for all the ills in the world.
I suppose both bunches could theoretically called Christians. But they don't have much in common with the Christians I grew up among.....
Yeah....I guess there's nothing more left-wing radical than going after the KKK, white supremacists, black supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other real Americans....
Last year, they were keeping track of "186 separate Ku Klux Klan groups, 196 neo-nazi, 111 white nationalist, 98 racist skinhead, 39 Christian Identity, 93 neo-confederate, 113 black separatist, and 90 general hate groups subdivided into anti-gay, anti-immigrant, Holocaust denial, racist music, Radical Traditionalist Catholic groups...."
For those who whine that they're targeting "Christians":
Christian Identity groups preach that non-white or mixed-race people have no souls, and can therefore never be saved. Radical Traditionalist Catholic beliefs center around hating Jews, and blaming them for all the ills in the world.
I suppose both bunches could theoretically called Christians. But they don't have much in common with the Christians I grew up among.....
troy,
do u have a link or could quote your source.
"Christian Identity groups preach that non-white or mixed-race people have no souls, and can therefore never be saved. Radical Traditionalist Catholic beliefs center around hating Jews, and blaming them for all the ills in the world."
I'd be interested in hearing where this came from as well, ole pal..,.
troy,
do u have a link or could quote your source.
I had to go find some references. I didn't think you'd accept "I've known some of them" as a legitimate source...
According to Chester L. Quarles, professor of criminal justice at the University of Mississippi, some of The Christian Identity movement followers hold that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls, and can therefore never earn God's favor or be saved.[1] Believers of the theology affirm that Jesus Christ paid only for the sins of the House of Israel and the House of Judah and that salvation must be received through both redemption and race.
Some beliefs held in common by many Christian Identity (CI) groups are:
A view of the white race, the "Adamic race" or "True Israelites" as superior. Other races are the "Satanic spawn" of Cain. This leads naturally to a hatred of Blacks, Native Americans, and immigrants from "non-Aryan" lands
That Adam and Eve were white. Many other "pre-Adamic" and non-white people were already in existence when Adam was created. This leads to the belief that Anglo-Saxon Protestants are the "true identity" of God's chosen people of the Hebrew Scriptures. Non-whites are considered sub-human. These Biblical beliefs confirm their concept of white racial superiority. As a minimum, they call for racial separation; some call for extermination of what they call the "mud races" (non-white races).
That the Commandment which forbids adultery does not refer to extra-marital sexual relationships. Rather, it forbids "racial adultery"; i.e. inter-racial marriages. Their reasoning is that the 10th Commandment which forbids coveting one's neighbor's possessions already bans adultery; one of those "possessions" is the neighbor's wife. And, God would not have repeated Himself.
They consider themselves to be the direct descendants Adam's son Abel and thus are God's chosen people. They regard the Jewish people as having descended from Cain. Thus the Jewish belief that they are the chosen people is invalid. This has led to an extreme anti-Semitism within the Christian Identity movement.
Identity adherents believe they are the only descendants of Adam and the only chosen descendants of Abraham. This is the reason for the name Identity -- they are convinced they know their true identity....[t]he more extreme groups believe in what is referred to as the "serpent seed" teaching that Eve and Satan had sexual intercourse and produced Cain, starting a line of half-devil people. For many Identity groups this imagined half-devil line of Cain is the Jewish race.
Christian Identity is a white supremacist movement which asserts that the "Aryan", or white people of European descent, are the descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel of the Bible, and that the Jews are not, but are rather the offspring of Satan. They believe that while Adam and Eve were white people created in the image of God, non-white people ("mud people") were created separately from whites, and they generally assert that salvation is only available to white people.
troy,
(lol) you are correct i can't accept "i have known some",a) i currently know some b) that would be the stupid type answer i often get when attempting to discuss/write with someone before i realize he is an ignoramus c) i have empirical, tho not conclusive evidence that you never do that.
i have read on some of those subjects, "the 13th tribe", by koester, wrote about the kahzars,( referred to in wiki, and christian identity) from a strictly historical view, no antisemitism that i could detect. i also read the turner diaries and the hunter, pulp fiction, but embraced by some of these groups.
from a different angle "the secret relationship between blacks and jews", published by the nation of islam, was fascinating, there were so many foot notes it took me days to fact check. they have a lot common with the extreme christian groups, i have also heard both louis farrakahn, and the late kahlid abdul muhammad, speak ,scary, but very informative.
my question about the SPLC, was related more to your references that they watch and write about many other perceived threats, other than the christian right wing.
any info u could supply i would appreciate. i would it research myself, but can't speed read, and type like a snail, and it appears you already did.
tks, pat
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my question about the SPLC, was related more to your references that they watch and write about many other perceived threats, other than the christian right wing.
any info u could supply i would appreciate. i would it research myself, but can't speed read, and type like a snail, and it appears you already did.
tks, pat
Well, There's no denying the Southern Poverty Law Center made its original reputation going after white supremacists: multiple KKK organizations, Aryan Nations, White Aryan Resistance, etc. But do you consider white supremacists to be simply "Christian right wingers?" I don't, even though most of them try to throw up some sort of religious justification for their beliefs.
A lovely example is the Church of the Creator, whose stated goal is "making this an all-white nation and ultimately an all-white world." To say the SPLC is targeting them for being Christians is a little simplistic, I'd say....
But they also watch other hate groups. Do they get carried away, sometimes? Probably, but that doesn't negate all the good they've done and continue to do.
I don't have sources at my fingertips that list the names of the specific groups they track. And I have places to go, things to do, people to see this weekend, and won't be online much. You can either look up their history yourself, or wait until next week, when I have more time.
ok, i should have put "extreme right wing christian nut jobs only", and did not mean to imply anything negative about christians generally. if indeed i did.
btw, lots of us may not believe "they", or anyone else has a soul in the spiritual sense, and are not considered wacko, by the majority of the western world.
most likely by the majority of this site tho.
man, i need to stick to gun topics only!
BTW <BY THE WAY > LVLT I posted only links to refferances for you but before you say Wikipedia is not reputable source when you click on one link it takes you to other references too.
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knightrider, i love wiki, its so easy to fact check.
your brevity makes it difficult for me to understand the point you are trying to make.
i know its me no point in going there, i realize i am not the brightest spark in the fire.
when you posted that list, did u mean that the SPLC tracks them and writes about them?
if so can u send me a link or source info?
^ Anderson, Terry H. (1995). The Movement and the Sixties. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0195104579.
^Hirsch, E.D. (1993). The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy. Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-65597-8. p 419. "Members of a cultural protest that began in the U.S. in the 1960s and affected Europe before fading in the 1970s...fundamentally a cultural rather than a political protest."
^ "Rockin' At the Red Dog: The Dawn of Psychedelic Rock," Mary Works Covington, 2005.
I can't find the link to the hate groups identified by state through the Southern LPC. It was in one of yesterday's posts. Maybe someone else can find it and repost it here.
I did note, however, when I checked the kinds of groups, that there were 1 Muslim group and 1 Jewish group listed, but the most were skin-heads and KKK folks. Little one-sided, or not comprehensive?????
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