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Old 09-19-2009, 02:46 PM   #21
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I guess you gotta look in the right places.
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:01 PM   #22
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my cousin went shooting with me a few weeks ago. hes maby 90 lbs. he shot both my moss. 500 20 ga. and my m44. they both have limbsaver recoil pads and he didnt mind the recoil. .243 or .270 with a limbsaver pad would probly be the best choices imo.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:53 PM   #23
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You don't say anything about the size of the deer in the area you hunt. Here in estern Oklahoma most of our deer are acorn eaters and most field dress 125 or less (sometimes way less), in the western part of our state our deer are chowing on wheat and corn a lot and get half again the size of their eastern cousins. I'd say .223 is plenty with soft points.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:42 AM   #24
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You may want to consider a savage youth model in .243. It was my first gun and a great one at that. It comes with a Simmons scope, which is not great, but works just fine. The stock is a junior size which creates some fairly large recoil, but not to much. Also, if she outgrows it, savage has this program, and you send them $50 And they send you a new stock. I don't know if it has the new acue-trigger, but what is that for anyway, give you second thoughts. It runs at about $350 and is well worth it.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:49 AM   #25
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The first dear rifle has more considerations than just caliber.

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I am an experience shooter. I have a 10 year old little girl that will drop everything to go to the range and shoot with me. In my home state of Pa, they have a youth mentor hunt program now that enables her to hunt. I know a 223 caliber round will kill a deer if placed right and I know a 243 is ample but I dont want to get her gunshy. My only other option is a 30-30 that is my stepson's. Any advice? Thanks
The first dear rifle has more considerations than just caliber. You may wish to consider that you are in a mentoring phase with her, and that there is still much to teach. Therefore choosing not only a suitable caliber, but a suitable pattern rifle with a few things in mind.

She is not only learning to shoot and to hunt, but care and maintenance of the weapon as well. You need also to think about the fact that she is a beginner or novice at this initial stage in matters of gun safety. These are the years when accidents are most likely to occur because of the lack of experience.

It was almost a tradition in the USA to begin with a single-shot weapon in a pattern that was easy to disassemble and care for, and easy to understand the inner workings / mechanics of the weapon. Some of the best pattern weapons were break-over hammer guns. The primary range and field discipline being that the hammer on the weapon is never cocked until it is time to aim and fire the weapon at the game or target. A casual glance at the weapon on the range or in the field will tell either the young hunter or the mentor what stage that weapon is in, simply by glancing quickly at the hammer. There is much less chance of an accident when this type of weapon is used for the beginner. The break-over single shot rifle (or shotgun) is affordable, normally rugged and long lasting, and easy for a beginnger to learn and maintain the care and cleaning of it.

You may wish to find her a single shot hammer gun in most any moderate caliber. You can trim the stock to fit her very easily, and you can cover the butt with a good recoil pad. .243 or .270 will work. .30-30 will work if you are keeping the shooting down to 75 yards .... maybe no farther than 150 yards.

Another variant or pattern to consider might be one of the Thompson Contender single-shot rifle variants. You can scope them if you want to, and they retain their resale value. They are light, well made, plenty of parts available for repairs, and very easy to teach a beginner on. There is a wide variety of stocks, and you can even do pistol training with the same weapon. Changing calibers is as easy as changing out barrels. You might consider one in .556 (.223) to begin teaching her on, and then you can graduate to larger calibers simply by picking up another barrell. If you can get a barrel in 7.63x39, you will find plenty of range fodder out there to train her on. You can hunt with that caliber within the limitations of the .30-30, and it is less expensive to shoot at the range. There is little or no recoil to speak of with 7.62x39 (or with .223 for that matter) and the "boom" is light to moderate.

If you dont want to lay out the money for that Thompson, consider finding one of the popular break-over rifles being built now on the old Harrington & Richardson model 158 Topper patterns. It has a different name and a different manufacturer now, but it does offer different barrels that you can purchase in different calibers.

Go single-shot for the beginner.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:31 AM   #26
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I like single shots for beginners too, BUT if recoil is a serious consideration the break open single shots are about the best available design there is to get the most possible recoil out of any given round.
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:46 AM   #27
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My 10 yr old son shoots a 38-55 in a Remington Hepburn with no problem, same for the Savage 99 in 250-300 or 303 Sav. He needs a rest for these but nothing fancy in the way of recoil pads. Not sure of the size deer or ranges in your area but a mini-30 in 7.62x39 might be an option. Here is a pic of him shooting the 303 Savage & a 1903 Springfield, he is a small kid, about 100lbs & about 53 inches tall. The loads in the 03 were 150gr softpoints over 47gr of IMR 4895 going about 2740fps according to the reloading manual. I don't have the load in front of me for the 303 Savage but it's an average load in it. The 250 Savage load is an 87gr hp over 32 grs of 3031 going about 2900fps. Hope this helps some.
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Old 11-19-2009, 02:04 PM   #28
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.243 is a great cartridge. My daughter shoots a Savage .243. It has a Bushnell 3x9 scope. I started her out with it at 12yrs, and she is now 19 and won't use anything else. That's just her...she likes to keep what they has.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:01 PM   #29
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Marlin makes the XS-7Y (youth) in a variety of smaller calibers...in .243, .270, & 7mm-08, any of them should be handleable.
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At around $300, the price will definitely be right
Comes with a Recoil Reducing pad, pillar bedding, adjustable trigger,
The only question I would have is that at age 10...is SHE ready to hunt deer??
It does take a certain mental state to be able to handle putting Bambi down for a Dirt Nap.
I was going to write something up, but Big Shrek hit all my points right on the head.. The only problem with a youth model is that she will more than likely outgrow it.
Also, discuss the whole dead deer/any animal thing.. Blood and guts are a natural part of hunting, but be sure she's ready for it. If she is, I'd go with the .243 for a cartridge..
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I was going to write something up, but Big Shrek hit all my points right on the head.. The only problem with a youth model is that she will more than likely outgrow it.
Also, discuss the whole dead deer/any animal thing.. Blood and guts are a natural part of hunting, but be sure she's ready for it. If she is, I'd go with the .243 for a cartridge..
Watch hunting shows on TV with her, get her excited about it. If she can handle that for a while and stays interested, she should be good to go.

I kinda went against the grain and bought my daughter (9 at the time) an SU-16 in 5.56 semi-auto. As we were working on marksmanship, I thought it would be a better option than a single shot. After the fact, I don't think I could've made a better choice. I'm taking her 'Yote hunting soon and next is a pig hunt this summer. She's all stoked about putting pig meat in the freezer.
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