[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

When I was growing up, the crime rate was nonexistent in my home town. We never locked the doors and my dad left the car keys in the ignition. A kid stealing a candy bar at Safeway was front page news. Homicides never or rarely happened in my home town and if one did, it was the talk of the town for quite some time. Kids weren't picked up and molested. You could eat homemade treats at Halloween and not have to worry about razor blades or needles. Yes, things have changed and I don't need statistic laden folks telling me otherwise.

Amen.

[cremley]

Quote:       Originally Posted by White Rook

My children's school has a no fighting policy also. They are both Black Belts and their instructor's number one rule was "There is no First Strike". I told them as long as they didn't start the fight they had my permission to end the fight. I told them I would deal with the school if that situation ever came up. No one should have to take a beating because it against the schools policy to defend yourself....

I think the same goes for any sort of defensive situation. Nobody is going to tell me I can't defend myself. some stupid school or government rule against self defense will not bar me from defending myself, even if I have to pay the consequences afterword.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

When I was growing up, the crime rate was nonexistent in my home town. We never locked the doors and my dad left the car keys in the ignition. A kid stealing a candy bar at Safeway was front page news. Homicides never or rarely happened in my home town and if one did, it was the talk of the town for quite some time. Kids weren't picked up and molested. You could eat homemade treats at Halloween and not have to worry about razor blades or needles. Yes, things have changed and I don't need statistic laden folks telling me otherwise.

My wife used to take our kids' Halloween hauls down to the local hospital, where they would x-ray it free. It usually took a couple of hours of standing in line to have it done.

I asked the tech one night how much stuff he had found. He said he'd been doing it for over twenty years without finding anything in the candy, and had never heard of anyone else who found anything. So the wife finally gave it up.

[DesertRaider109]

There was a woman that lived down the street from us about ten years back who would hand out notes saying "Devil's Holiday" etc to little kids who were trick or treating. A guy down the street got tired of it and confronted her about it, telling her that he would no longer tolerate her ultra-bullshit and that if he found another note in his kids' he would come back with his shotgun and she never put another note out again.

One way to deal with things!

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

When I was growing up, the crime rate was nonexistent in my home town. We never locked the doors and my dad left the car keys in the ignition. A kid stealing a candy bar at Safeway was front page news. Homicides never or rarely happened in my home town and if one did, it was the talk of the town for quite some time. Kids weren't picked up and molested. You could eat homemade treats at Halloween and not have to worry about razor blades or needles. Yes, things have changed and I don't need statistic laden folks telling me otherwise.

Yeah but when you were a kid dinosaurs were roaming the streets so you didn't worry about people......JK

In reality though in the past 100 or even 50 years America is gaining, what is it 11 people per a second now? Whether it be by birth or immigration. We are growing so big and in the cities the people who are poor are growing in numbers all the while the people with money that can afford to move out, move away from the city life and settle in the suburbs outside the city. Thus, separating people by social class.

Crime is a socioeconomic thing, with some other factors. When you were a kid back in the day I bet your poverty level was lower than it is today. At the school district I work for, which has 25,000+ students total district wide, about a lot of them qualify for reduced or free lunch. Meaning their family income is close enough to the poverty line they qualify for it. Some kids may not even eat ever until they come to school.

I doubt you had that high concentration of poor people when you were growing up and some of those people turn to crime. Of course times do change a bit, I will agree on some level they do. Socially we change a lot, but I think that crime and things related to crime have always been around, and have always happened about the same precentage level with our growing population. Sure you may see more of it, but we have a lot more people. Thus, there never really was any such things as, "The Good ole days," because the same things were happening back then.

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Yeah but when you were a kid dinosaurs were roaming the streets so you didn't worry about people......JK In reality though in the past 100 or even 50 years America is gaining, what is it 11 people per a second now? Whether it be by birth or immigration. We are growing so big and in the cities the people who are poor are growing in numbers all the while the people with money that can afford to move out, move away from the city life and settle in the suburbs outside the city. Thus, separating people by social class. Crime is a socioeconomic thing, with some other factors. When you were a kid back in the day I bet your poverty level was lower than it is today. At the school district I work for, which has 25,000+ students total district wide, about a lot of them qualify for reduced or free lunch. Meaning their family income is close enough to the poverty line they qualify for it. Some kids may not even eat ever until they come to school. I doubt you had that high concentration of poor people when you were growing up and some of those people turn to crime. Of course times do change a bit, I will agree on some level they do. Socially we change a lot, but I think that crime and things related to crime have always been around, and have always happened about the same precentage level with our growing population. Sure you may see more of it, but we have a lot more people. Thus, there never really was any such things as, "The Good ole days," because the same things were happening back then.

Norman, Oklahoma is a college town just South of Oklahoma City. In 1960 the population was around 36,000. It's population now is around 110,000 and is the 3rd largest city in Oklahoma. Crime has gone up since 1960, but I guess that's to be expected since some of the "element" from OKC has moved down, looking for easy pickings and victims. The good news is that Okies don't mess around and if you get caught stealing someone's pickup, he may just shoot you and yes, it's legal!

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Norman, Oklahoma is a college town just South of Oklahoma City. In 1960 the population was around 36,000. It's population now is around 110,000 and is the 3rd largest city in Oklahoma. Crime has gone up since 1960, but I guess that's to be expected since some of the "element" from OKC has moved down, looking for easy pickings and victims. The good news is that Okies don't mess around and if you get caught stealing someone's pickup, he may just shoot you and yes, it's legal!

Yeah, Kansas city is like 2 to 2.5 million people so it is a bit larger. I would like to know the statistics of how many people leave KC and how many people come into KC every day from outside the city limits. That would be interesting to know

[EtherialOne]

LOL No Lie... My Sophomore Year in HS I did a presentation on field cleaning a revolver... and was allowed to bring my gun to the classroom as an "instructional aid" (of course it had to be kept in the principals office except for during the presentation)... The Year, 1979.

[TGF]

lol good post made me smile on an otherwise sh%t day.

[woody1981]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

My wife used to take our kids' Halloween hauls down to the local hospital, where they would x-ray it free. It usually took a couple of hours of standing in line to have it done. I asked the tech one night how much stuff he had found. He said he'd been doing it for over twenty years without finding anything in the candy, and had never heard of anyone else who found anything. So the wife finally gave it up.

Ah, good for you and yours. Around here there is the usual police report or two every Halloween of pins or razor blades stuck in apples, candy, etc.

[woody1981]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Yeah, Kansas city is like 2 to 2.5 million people so it is a bit larger. I would like to know the statistics of how many people leave KC and how many people come into KC every day from outside the city limits. That would be interesting to know

tl, this info should be available through the KC Chamber of Commerce.