[scroamer65]

Is it just me or does anyone else see that the SEIU will be brough into these staged setups. Now if some enterprising people would find out where these SEIU ? people were comming from, accidents do close highways and detours are used. Let your mind do the rest

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Oxford

Mooseman684...it's all orchestrated! Nothing is left to chance. His front people blew it, though, because people aren't that stupid. He's grasping for air...and going down fast!

I hope you're right before it's too late.(if it isn't already) Thanks MM. ,,,sam.

[JimBob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Oxford

Mooseman684...it's all orchestrated! Nothing is left to chance. His front people blew it, though, because people aren't that stupid. He's grasping for air...and going down fast!

This is all pretty much out of the jesse jackson handbook.That's how he operated by busing in out of towners to intimidate everybody.Then some people started advertising the fact and then it was found out he was trying to shake people down to not show up.Chicago politics brought to the national stage.Isn't playing nationally any better than south of I80 in Illinois.

[SwedeSteve]

Politics as usual...

[elkaholic]

hello -- come on we can't have the president embarrasssed in a small town and be stumped by a real question and have to give a truthfull answer can we - we can't show america how a group of people from a rural small town really feel about our president and his policies - can we -
everything has to be planned out and reheased ! Sad but he's a joke and america will see it before long -- lets just hope its not to late !! - hey the parties over here we brought our own entertainment - one we can control so we look good

[troy2000]

Have you people forgotten Bush's trip to Germany? He had a 'town hall meeting' planned there, and it got cancelled.

Why? Because although it was being advertised as a spontaneous interaction between him and the audience, his advance team demanded that all the questions be submitted for approval before the meeting. The German government refused to go along with the charade. They said Bush must either take unrehearsed questions from the floor as billed, or skip the event.

Pretty bad, when the children and grandchildren of Nazis have to give us lessons in honesty, transparency and democracy....

[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Have you people forgotten Bush's trip to Germany? He had a 'town hall meeting' planned there, and it got cancelled. Why? Because although it was being advertised as a spontaneous interaction between him and the audience, his advance team demanded that all the questions be submitted for approval before the meeting. The German government refused to go along with the charade. They said Bush must either take unrehearsed questions from the floor as billed, or skip the event. Pretty bad, when the children and grandchildren of Nazis have to give us lessons in honesty, transparency and democracy....

Today is the day to live for. There have been major wars between good and evil. And before that? Another history lesson? We should focus better? Look beyond any historical problems recent or ancient. Help with current solutions or remain part of the problem.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by chesterwin

Today is the day to live for. There have been major wars between good and evil. And before that? Another history lesson? We should focus better? Look beyond any historical problems recent or ancient. Help with current solutions or remain part of the problem.

One of the current problems is that people are attacking the Obama administration, and trying to undermine its credibility, with bogus claims that it's controlling public events and public opinion in a way that's never been done before.

That's obviously not true. And for people to support or attack the current administration based on such false claims is hardly helpful, or good for the country.

[ArkansasHunter]

Troy one of the problems is folks like you can't see the light LOL Or the writeing on the wall buddy LOL !!!

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Troy one of the problems is folks like you can't see the light LOL Or the writeing on the wall buddy LOL !!!

Mike, another problem is folks shining the light in their own eyes, instead of pointing it down the path.

[chesterwin]

troy2000,

Look at the last two comments in my prior post. "Look beyond any historical problems recent or ancient. Help with current solutions or remain part of the problem."

Why are you posting beyond that? Help with solutions. Period!!!

[thrillbilly]

If ya'll are seeing a light...RUN!! it might be a train LOL.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by chesterwin

troy2000, Look at the last two comments in my prior post. "Look beyond any historical problems recent or ancient. Help with current solutions or remain part of the problem." Why are you posting beyond that? Help with solutions. Period!!!

I am trying to help. I'm trying to put things in proper perspective based on prior history and experiences, so people know how to deal with them.

Claiming the Obama administration is evilly manipulating public opinion and events in a way that's never been done before is hardly a solution to anything. All it does is promote unwarranted fear and hysteria.

[Coeloptera]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes........the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!! I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America , more like the USSR !!

The irony is deeply thick on the ground, here.

So, lemme see if I understand this. If people object to it, but have professionally made signs, they're salt of the Earth and really oppose it. If people do the same but support it, then it's astroturfing. So apparently, the Right is incapable or would never do that, but the Left always does.

When Bush II created "free speech zones" it's good, if Obama has designated areas for protestors, it's bad.

Am I following all this correctly?

Quote:       Originally Posted by White Rook

Here we go again..The "Defender's of O" will be here any second now.

Simple question. Did you object when Bush II overtly did this despite the even greater numbers of protestors about Iraq? Yes or no?

Remember, if your opinions aren't consistent based soley on whether it's "your side" doing something or not, that makes one a "hypocrite".

So, if any of y'all ever supported Bush II's tactics when he wanted public perception on an issue to go a certain way (and he did), then you have little right to complain now.

"As ye sow, so shall ye reap." or something like that.

I mean really, acting surprised because any politician moves to control a message using marketing techniques? That is SOP for any of them.

"DUUURR, it's like da USSR!". That is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen written. I'll guarantee you this person never said jack-all about the free speech zones or message control the last POTUS used. Hypocrite. Hypocrites really push my buttons.

- Coeloptera

[paynetrain]

Shut up cleopatra ! ha ha ha ha ! miss defender of the Obama universe!

[paynetrain]

OMG I just know I Pushed someones buttons,, get over it your not the center of the universe ya big baby!

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by paynetrain

Shut up cleopatra ! ha ha ha ha ! miss defender of the Obama universe!

The chants of the obamite kool aid crowd (individuals can figure out who fits here for themselves) to me seem relentlessly predictable at times. It seems to me to mimic "cult like" abandon in what I see sometimes.

Ohhhhhh bahhhhhmmmm aaaaa.......Ohhhhhhhh baahhhhhhhh mmmmmm aaaa.

I think this is why the approval ratings are dropping so quickly; some folks are coming out of their trance and "sobering up" so to speak.

Cult-like appeal and information manipulation is a very real threat (like Josef Goebbels in Pre WWII Germany or on a micro scale Jonestown) and one must be vigilant not to get suckered in. In some cases these were fairly normal folks who did some extremely horrific things and the progression wasn't readily apparent to them until it was too late. It's tough because sometimes your own intelligence can work against you--you get just enough info to get "hooked" and your mind relentlessly tries to fill in the puzzle. You're fed (or see) information just enough to keep you moving in the direction the "leader" wants and your mind tries to make things fit and make sense. This is why the full-court press of propaganda by the media has been and is a sinister thing and we have to ask "why would someone do this" to push an agenda ? It's obviously not to make our country a better place. This is why the "czars" and mad scientist background of some of the advisors is so problematic--it doesn't seem like something that would be directed at helping one's fellow man OR fostering liberty. It seems to me like the "rule the world" complex which has always turned out poorly and needlessly killed people.

Cult-like figures (or maybe more appropriately those actively exploiting this concept to attempt to push an agenda) are obviously unsuitable for public service.

[elkaholic]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

. And for people to support or attack the current administration based on such false claims is hardly helpful, or good for the country.

how can an eye witness to an event be called false claims- they dont care what happened in the past - It happened to them and it happen now - obumma isn't doing anything but opening eyes as to the fact he's all show - what happened here was wrong and he was responsable for it . Gary

[elkaholic]

[QUOTE=troy2000;975018]One of the current problems is that people are attacking the Obama administration, and trying to undermine its credibility, with bogus claims that it's controlling public events and public opinion in a way that's never been done before.QUOTE]


do you think Kathy made this stuff up just to bad mouth the president - it happened to them in their small town in rural america and what really happened was never made known till this post - we dont care if other presidents did chit- Did we see the real story in the press - nope just what the administration wanted the american people to see -

[White Rook]

Why is it OK to bash Dubya but it is a SIN to say anything against Obama. I don't really care for a lot of things Bush II did. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq. I do support our troops no matter where they are.

I don't think Obama is the Savior of our country. I don't get all warm inside or all Touchy Feely when I see him on TV. I didn't get all warm inside when Dubya was on TV either. I wouldn't jump up and down and scream and faint if I saw Obama in person like the girls did back in the 60's when the Beatles were in concert. He's just another Politician just like all of them that will do or say anything to get elected.

I have one question also. Is there anything that Obama would do that you make you stop supporting him?