i would like to understand more about this group, i read their web site. they are not openly subversive in their writings. i am really ignorant of latino political groups, and would like to read more fact based in formation.not wacko web sites that can't be verified, left or right.
i watched the video.
why would we assume they are 'illegal', instead of the remnants or those criminals, and there many, many offspring, that ronald reagan created with the amnesty program in 1986, that are now citizens? in which case they were exercising there right to peaceful protest. except the one who go arrested.
it was also reminiscent of the old news reels, when they were integrating the public school system, that was not as peaceful, eisenhower ordered in troops to protect the children trying to exercise there rights to education.
if i remember correctly, there was some waving of non u.s. flags at that time also.
Okay, there are 2 groups that get confused with that name. That's important fact number one.
There is the National Council of La Raza. They're a latino political action group. Here is their site: National Council of La Raza
They pretty much cover all the basic bases for a group like that. Civil rights, voting, immigration reform (which they're not that bad on: National Council of La Raza: Policies ), education, jobs, and so on.
They are for it. They would much prefer streamlining legal immigration and integration. They understand that such action would remove much of the stigma from latinos regarding the issue. It's a logical stand to take, after all. If they want their communities to be seen as legal, contributing members of the US, as opposed to hotbeds of illegals and lawbreakers, then backing some reform, enforcement, and transparency is a good way to do it.
NCLR has unequivocally stated they aren't for any Reconquista stuff, they have spoken openly against illegal immigration (see the reasons above), and are actually public for border enforcement due to the USA's sovereign status.
Not a bad group, really. They seem to have established a good, working model and don't seem to support any radical agendas.
On the other hand...the name is occasionally co-opted by actual "Aztlan" groups and their ilk. A group called "Mecha" tends to be more radical and often conflates themselves with NCLR.
That's a start, I think. Oh and the term la raza doesn't quite mean "the race", more like "the people" or "the community".
coeloptera, tks for those links.
i was looking for something more extreme/ dangerous. those links seemed pretty mild.
i guess i must be looking for yet another group to hate, so many choices.
like so many blow hards i doubt there is more than a handful who are really into this and most of them probably live in their mothers basements. My concern is are they connected to MS-13? Mara Salvatrucha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as with the black power movement there are probably only a few who genuinely believe in creating a 'black' homeland (and they have obviously never been to Liberia.) and only a very small % of whites who want segregation.
They (MeCha) want to return a significant portion of the US to the rightful owners. La Raza is directly connected to them and has recently become less vocal since the Lieutenant Governor of California was found to be a member and shed a bad light on them (their true cause). They have bolstered a campaign that is essentially a toned down lie to cover the true cause, yet their cause is still to take a part of the US away from the US. Ironically, virtually all of the members are descendants of a cross between the original inhabitants (Mayan and Aztec) and the Spanish invaders so they really have no claim. It's just sour grapes over the Mexican American war. If they got what they wanted, it would just turn the entire southwest US into another extension of the already existing third world dump they call Mexico.
They (MeCha) want to return a significant portion of the US to the rightful owners. La Raza is directly connected to them and has recently become less vocal since the Lieutenant Governor of California was found to be a member and shed a bad light on them (their true cause). They have bolstered a campaign that is essentially a toned down lie to cover the true cause, yet their cause is still to take a part of the US away from the US. Ironically, virtually all of the members are descendants of a cross between the original inhabitants (Mayan and Aztec) and the Spanish invaders so they really have no claim. It's just sour grapes over the Mexican American war. If they got what they wanted, it would just turn the entire southwest US into another extension of the already existing third world dump they call Mexico.
You're trying to blur Hispanics and Hispanic organizations together, then accuse them all of believing the same as the most extreme members of the most extreme groups. That's about as accurate as pointing out that many KKK members are registered Republicans, then claiming the Republican Party wants to subjugate blacks.
As far as I know, Mayans and Aztecs were never that far north to begin with. So I would have to say that the whole claim that Aztlan extends up into the US is bogus. As far as I know, the group "Mecha" has had some members try and shanghai the "La Raza" name to try and legitimize themselves, but they are not the same group as NCLR.
You're trying to blur Hispanics and Hispanic organizations together, then accuse them all of believing the same as the most extreme members of the most extreme groups. That's about as accurate as pointing out that many KKK members are registered Republicans, then claiming the Republican Party wants to subjugate blacks.
Hardly. Why would either organization exist in the first place?
You're trying to blur Hispanics and Hispanic organizations together, then accuse them all of believing the same as the most extreme members of the most extreme groups. That's about as accurate as pointing out that many KKK members are registered Republicans, then claiming the Republican Party wants to subjugate blacks.
You're wasting your time, because I didn't say the Republican Party wants to subjugate blacks. I said it would be ridiculous to make such a claim just because some KKK members are Republicans.
And reciting what happened in history doesn't prove today's Democrats hate blacks. As a matter of fact, most racist southerners abandoned the Democrats after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, and joined the Republican Party. It didn't do them much good; they never managed to turn the Republican Party as a whole into a racist one.
You're wasting your time, because I didn't say the Republican Party wants to subjugate blacks. I said it would be ridiculous to make such a claim just because some KKK members are Republicans.
And reciting what happened in history doesn't prove today's Democrats hate blacks. As a matter of fact, most racist southerners abandoned the Democrats after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, and joined the Republican Party. It didn't do them much good; they never managed to turn the Republican Party as a whole into a racist one.
Its time well spent Troy. Sometimes “word association” is enough to be taken out of context, though that was not likely your intent. I'm glad you went into further detail, in spite of the late hour though. I'm also happy to say that La Raza is not endorsed by most Spanish speaking Americans, at least from the law enforcement and military personnel of Spanish speaking heritage, both American born and foreign born that I work with. I do think that La Raza, much like the KKK, is an organization that seeks social and political dominance over other races in a given geographical area, notably those areas of the United States that once made up 50% of Mexico before 1848. As the descendent of recent immigrants, I’m not against enriching this great country with people willing to assimilate, sacrifice and contribute to the greater society, but we shouldn’t condone or comply with what amounts to a social and political cross border insurgency. Plenty of legal Latino-Americans who are “not” La Raze supporters are in agreement with that stand.
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I dont care how peaceful they claim to be. If they are talking crap about america wearing forign flags talking about kicking the whites out of the southwest they can go back to mexico as far as I'm concerned. Most peple came here for a similer reason. Their country of origin sucks. Mexico sucks, thats why they came here if they dont like it they can take their can back across the border.
I dont care how peaceful they claim to be. If they are talking crap about america wearing forign flags talking about kicking the whites out of the southwest they can go back to mexico as far as I'm concerned. Most peple came here for a similer reason. Their country of origin sucks. Mexico sucks, thats why they came here if they dont like it they can take their can back across the border.
Would that be only the handful who are talking crap you want to get rid of, or everyone of Mexican descent?
Mecha are a small but very vocal college based activist group. They are primarily a bunch of idealistic young middle class students clinging to some sense of oppression that most of them have not actually experienced. They are not the voice of mexican Americans, or Chicanos ( born in the U.S.A, of Mexican decent). They are no more represenitive of Hispanics as hole than white suprimist survivalists are a represenative of the RKBA. They are a minority view of an issue that plays well on T.V and makes for good ratings.
I have grown up around Chicano/ Mexicam Americans my whole life, I am what is refered to in L.A as a ghetto whetto ( white boy from the barrio). What was a prodominately Irish catholic neighborhood 40 years ago is now 90% Mexican& Central American. The Mexican folks I grew up with were always the most vocal opponents of illegal immigration heard. Their grandpas fought in WW2 and their dads in Vietnam just like ours did , they were always American first. It was only in the last 10-15 years when the illegal population grew faster and faster and the reaction of this that has caused a divide that was not there before.
When you have been an American all your life and your Great grandpa was born here, and then you begin to be grouped in with illegals that many become angry and It does become a racial issue. People who were as angry about the effects of illegal immigration as you and I, begin to feel different when they get lumped in with it, especially when confronted by retoric like " stamping out those cockaroaches "
Mencha is a fringe movement, that only grows from ignorant idealism in it's own ranks fuled by reactionary fear from the rest of the country.
Im pretty sure my Irish ancestors went thru the same process 150 years ago.
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I have a friend and coworker whose family has been here since about the time my great-grandfather homesteaded this valley, back in the late 1800's. He still looks like a Mexican, and he can still handle Spanish if he puts his mind to it.
Fortunately for belligerent drunks, he's as easy-going as he is big. I heard about a guy who got in his face a couple of years ago, and told him he should go back where he came from. My friend stared at him calmly for a minute, and asked, "You mean you want me to move back to the other end of town? Why? What good would that do anyone?"
