[jerry]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

They aren't forced on anyone. Perhaps except armed forces members. They just line up and bend over.

Yeah, a real pain in the butt

[TGF]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

You know, for all the times I've taken the flu shot, I've never gotten the flu. This is even with patients with known flu breathing in my face and coughing on me as I listen to their heart and lungs.

For all the times I have not gotten the flu shot, I have not gotten the flu. Seems our empirical data is at odds.

[Big Dog]

At the end of the day, it is up to us all to make our own decisions.
My decision is to NOT get the vaccination. What I have been reading of it does NOT give me any trust in it. 'Nuff siad.

I am fully able and ready to lock down my home, and impose personal quarentine. I live alone - no one else to pass it to or get it from. If I die, they can burn the place down around me - be like a Viking Funeral.

[TGF]

Swine flu isn't even 1/10th as dangerous as regular flu in terms of the virus. It is 1000 times more dangerous in the sense that it gives some political people an excuse to force their will on us.

[DaTeacha]

I read about halfway through the link to the actual act and saw all kinds of stuff protecting the providers of health care, the owners of facilities that may be comandeered as medical centers, procedures to follow in case of shortages of vaccines, etc. but saw nothing about mandatory vaccinations. Perhaps I missed it, perhaps it's farther along.

My impression of "naturalnews.com" is that they are on a par with the folks at PETA, HSUS, and other groups who take an idea and follow it to an illogical extreme. The only reference I saw to a thousand dollar fine was in lines 125 to 127 and had to do with refusing to allow health workers to collect specimens from animals thought to be victims of a disease.

I would say it would be wise to really, carefully check reports such as this one for accuracy. I can see how someone could read sections of the act linked above out of context of the whole thing and be thrown into a state of panic, or how someone looking for something to use to excite others could take unrelated bits and pieces of this thing and put them together to mean something entirely different than the actual act does, but we've already seen enough of Michael Moore and his ilk, haven't we?

Right now, the biggest problem we are facing as a nation is that we have far too many strident voices screeching in the ethernet and elsewhere, trying to gain their 15 seconds of fame by claiming the other end of the spectrum is trying to destroy us all. And to make it even more fun, we have a growing group in middle doing what I'm doing now, which is saying the fringes have pushed the rest of us beyond the breaking point, we're tired of being led from one cause for panic to another, this is getting old fast, and it's time for the nut jobs on both ends to shut up and let the rest of us get back to what used to pass for normal -- i.e. a week or so without some new cause for alarm being dragged up from who knows where that we need to act on right now or it will be too late and the world will never return from the slippery slope to ruin.

[LiveToShoot]

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[Windwalker]

Will have to see how this appears to go. At the present time I, personally, would not take the swine flu vaccine.

[samuel]

At the moment,they havn't offered it to me. ,,,sam.

[roadie]

Is this much different that the fact that new born babies must be vaccinated against DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, aka whooping cough), Hib (haemophilus influenzae type b), IPV (polio), PCV (pneumococcal conjugate vaccine), Hep B (hepatitis B — unless she got it at her four-week checkup instead), and RV (rotavirus). I don't know if it's the law for the new born shots and I haven't seen much on this whole thing that's seems to be going on in Mass, but it sounds like it would only be used in the case of an emergency, but if a real outbreak did happen, shouldn't the rest of the non infected public be protected at any cost? Like, I said, I am not versed on what's going on, just my thoughts.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

For all the times I have not gotten the flu shot, I have not gotten the flu. Seems our empirical data is at odds.

Do you go breathing the air of people with known flu?

[Russ Hatch]

Quote:       Originally Posted by DaTeacha

I read about halfway through the link to the actual act and saw all kinds of stuff protecting the providers of health care, the owners of facilities that may be comandeered as medical centers, procedures to follow in case of shortages of vaccines, etc. but saw nothing about mandatory vaccinations. Perhaps I missed it, perhaps it's farther along. My impression of "naturalnews.com" is that they are on a par with the folks at PETA, HSUS, and other groups who take an idea and follow it to an illogical extreme. The only reference I saw to a thousand dollar fine was in lines 125 to 127 and had to do with refusing to allow health workers to collect specimens from animals thought to be victims of a disease. I would say it would be wise to really, carefully check reports such as this one for accuracy. I can see how someone could read sections of the act linked above out of context of the whole thing and be thrown into a state of panic, or how someone looking for something to use to excite others could take unrelated bits and pieces of this thing and put them together to mean something entirely different than the actual act does, but we've already seen enough of Michael Moore and his ilk, haven't we? Right now, the biggest problem we are facing as a nation is that we have far too many strident voices screeching in the ethernet and elsewhere, trying to gain their 15 seconds of fame by claiming the other end of the spectrum is trying to destroy us all. And to make it even more fun, we have a growing group in middle doing what I'm doing now, which is saying the fringes have pushed the rest of us beyond the breaking point, we're tired of being led from one cause for panic to another, this is getting old fast, and it's time for the nut jobs on both ends to shut up and let the rest of us get back to what used to pass for normal -- i.e. a week or so without some new cause for alarm being dragged up from who knows where that we need to act on right now or it will be too late and the world will never return from the slippery slope to ruin.

Amen, when will we get some good news from the MSM without all the Hyperboyle.

• <LI class=first>Dangers Found in Nature:
• Hazardous food for your dog
• Are your houseplants toxic?
• The world's deadliest snakes
• Avoid these harmful berries
• What's lurking in the sea?

Just some of the stuff on Msn home page.

[TGF]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

Do you go breathing the air of people with known flu?

Heck no, do you think I am crazy? Don't answer that.

[Big Dog]

If you get the 'jab' and don't get the flu after, how to prove the shot helped....?
Maybe you just have a robust immune system.

Me, I am taking precautions, vitamin supplements (especially "C" and "D"), avoiding obviously sick folks, washing hands at work, avoiding touching things others have touched. Keep your phone, PC keyboard, etc cleaned with anti-bacterial cleaner - I know, flu is a virus - still take the usual precautions!
If the flu does hit your area, avoid public food places - that kid with the sniffles that put your Mickey-D 'value-meal' together may have given you 'something extra'......

Be ready to keep yourself hydrated at home, with minimal effort.

Most of the deaths that occured with the 1918 Flu was due to cramped wartime conditions with very bad sanitation and hygene habits, and those folks traveling. Stress levels were high, bringing their immune systems down. Mexico last year was similar - and they waited too long to seek medical help.

[Rambo]

I still remember seeing a "Measles" sign on a neighbors house while growing up. Their house was quarantined by the local heath officials.

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

You know, for all the times I've taken the flu shot, I've never gotten the flu. This is even with patients with known flu breathing in my face and coughing on me as I listen to their heart and lungs.

Personally, I'll refuse to take any flu shot. I'm 47 and have never in my life had the flu. Not once. That is with no flu shots ever. Why should I risk screwing with what appears to be a perfectly good immune system.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dragunov

Personally, I'll refuse to take any flu shot. I'm 47 and have never in my life had the flu. Not once. That is with no flu shots ever. Why should I risk screwing with what appears to be a perfectly good immune system.

Because the immune system decreases with age. And that is with NO exception. It doesn't get better. You might not be old enough to die from the flu at 47, but give it a little time. You'll get older and develop more medical problems, then you'll be begging for a flu shot. For me, it's not that I think I will die from the flu, it's that I can't afford to get sick. I have too much on my plate to be laid out for a week with the flu.

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

Because the immune system decreases with age. And that is with NO exception. It doesn't get better. You might not be old enough to die from the flu at 47, but give it a little time. You'll get older and develop more medical problems, then you'll be begging for a flu shot. For me, it's not that I think I will die from the flu, it's that I can't afford to get sick. I have too much on my plate to be laid out for a week with the flu.

Why must you shatter my illusion?

[ArkansasHunter]

I'm concerned about our children getting all that mercury in there system from the series of swine flu shot's they'll need to take, which is up to 3 total now 1 month apart I think for 9 year olds and younger.

Along with all the shots they've already taken I have a gut feeling this ain't good.

My only concearn with me is that I'm a cigarette smoker and this Flu is hell on your respratory system.
I've never had any kind of flu shot in the past and never got sick thus far, with all the news coverage it is concerning, should I get this one ??? What to do >

[samuel]

I will take the shot even tho I doubt that I need it.Whatever the deal,swine flu did kill millions at one time,whether it is dangerous or not. ,,,sam.

[Archetype_wyo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Earl vaccine's have a pretty high amount of Mercury in them and that is one of the reason I want be getting it. I'll go ahead and say it...Some of the stuff I've read here and else where has caused me not to trust our goverment. The story Dumbing Down America struck a nerve in me...A.H

I've never gotten a flu-vaccine for a few reasons::

1.) they make you sick until the vaccine is in your immune system
2.) its a needle (yuck)
3.) I don't usually get the flu and if I do its a day or so long
4.) was always too poor to get one when I was growing up, I can afford it now on my own dime and I refuse to get them
5.) its a needle (puke)