09-01-2009, 01:32 PM
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#41 | | Firearm Zealot
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Don't be a wuss - needles are NO problem. Look away - ping - it's done.
You want PAIN and blood, have a young USAF medical puke pop you in the arm with an empty shot gun - we had that back in '76. Like getting hit with a .22 if it shoots air instead of vaccine. 
Get a good Navy corpsman who knows his stuff - you'll hardly feel the needle.
I know - had to get eight injections in one day before going on deployment, after the USAF shots had long lost their potency. I lost my fear of needles.
I still ain't getting that Mexican Flu vaccine....... 
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09-01-2009, 01:34 PM
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#42 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Big Dog  Don't be a wuss - needles are NO problem. Look away - ping - it's done.
You want PAIN and blood, have a young USAF medical puke pop you in the arm with an empty shot gun - we had that back in '76. Like getting hit with a .22 if it shoots air instead of vaccine.
Get a good Navy corpsman who knows his stuff - you'll hardly feel the needle.
I know - had to get eight injections in one day before going on deployment, after the USAF shots had long lost their potency. I lost my fear of needles.
I still ain't getting that Mexican Flu vaccine....... | I don't think it is fear of needles that people are concerned with. I think it is the concern that people wonder what else the government has put into those vaccines. We all know about the untold experiments of drugs on military personnel.
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09-01-2009, 01:37 PM
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#43 | | Firearm Zealot
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No sir I hate needles. A little while back, over the course of a year I had to get 6 cortizone-steroid shots in my heels 1 in each heel every 3 months. You wanna talk about pain...my gosh. Felt like a red-hot double-ring nail being driven into my foot oh and when the doc pushed down on that plunger it was like molten lava pouring into my foot. I already didn't like needles and for that to happen holy jeese. My back is cold just thinking about it....literally.
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09-01-2009, 06:53 PM
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#44 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Earl Easter | Well again a very vague topic that as i heard was a rushed study of the vaccine,never tested on humans.
Vaccines as i have read contain dangerous additives that can cause inflammatory responses in the human body. Most have been suspected of causing autism and other neurological
disorders especially to infants and pregnant women. | NO. THEY. DO. NOT.
Please, STOP LYING about this stuff. It does so much harm. Vaccines and autism
Go read that. Go read the cohort study. "Results Of the 537,303 children in the cohort (representing 2,129,864 person-years), 440,655 (82.0 percent) had received the MMR vaccine. We identified 316 children with a diagnosis of autistic disorder and 422 with a diagnosis of other autistic-spectrum disorders. After adjustment for potential confounders, the relative risk of autistic disorder in the group of vaccinated children, as compared with the unvaccinated group, was 0.92 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24), and the relative risk of another autistic-spectrum disorder was 0.83 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07). There was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autistic disorder."
Vaccines no longer contain mercury. There is no link to autism.
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Originally Posted by cheapblaster | If you slog through the text of the bill you will find that its intent is to deal with dire public health emergencies involving infectious diseases. This emergency must be declared by the government and can last for up to 90 days. It can also be extended if needed.
It states that a person believed to have been exposed to and possibly carrying that disease should be tested, vaccinated or treated. If a person refuses this they can be quarantined for the incubation period of the disease. IF A PERSON REFUSES! During a serious outbreak of a disease.
NOT a scenario where jack-booted storm troopers kick in your door and inject you with some vaccine.
Quarantine for infectious disease has in one form or another been a part of public health policy for a long time.
Sorry, the sky ain't falling here. | This. This right here. Or would everyone prefer individuals just be allowed to waltz in and out of a potential hot zone at will? This legislation is for an actual emergency. Not, "some people are sick" but a full-blown, declared medical emergency.
*Sigh*, TexasT? Back me up again here, if you would be so kind?
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09-01-2009, 07:00 PM
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#45 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Coeloptera NO. THEY. DO. NOT.
Please, STOP LYING about this stuff. It does so much harm. Vaccines and autism
Go read that. Go read the cohort study. "Results Of the 537,303 children in the cohort (representing 2,129,864 person-years), 440,655 (82.0 percent) had received the MMR vaccine. We identified 316 children with a diagnosis of autistic disorder and 422 with a diagnosis of other autistic-spectrum disorders. After adjustment for potential confounders, the relative risk of autistic disorder in the group of vaccinated children, as compared with the unvaccinated group, was 0.92 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24), and the relative risk of another autistic-spectrum disorder was 0.83 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07). There was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autistic disorder."
Vaccines no longer contain mercury. There is no link to autism.
This. This right here. Or would everyone prefer individuals just be allowed to waltz in and out of a potential hot zone at will? This legislation is for an actual emergency. Not, "some people are sick" but a full-blown, declared medical emergency.
*Sigh*, TexasT? Back me up again here, if you would be so kind?
- Coeloptera | Alright, Coeloptrera. You talked me into a flu shot, but if I end up glowing in the dark, I'm coming after you! LOL! 
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09-01-2009, 07:12 PM
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#46 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by Brother Bob Alright, Coeloptrera. You talked me into a flu shot, but if I end up glowing in the dark, I'm coming after you! LOL! | We'll be able to see you from a mile away when you do.
Of course, we'd be glowing, too, but that isn't entirely a bad thing.
Hmmm. I wonder if I could request that they do Coel a specific color. Blue's pretty...
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09-01-2009, 07:19 PM
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#47 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Lokabrenna We'll be able to see you from a mile away when you do.
Of course, we'd be glowing, too, but that isn't entirely a bad thing.
Hmmm. I wonder if I could request that they do Coel a specific color. Blue's pretty... | Guess we'll have to be weary of the folks that don't glow in the dark, huh?
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09-02-2009, 10:59 AM
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#49 | | Yeah I got a pink gun!
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I don't like the pukey, muscle aching kind of flu. If there is a shot that will prevent me from getting it, I'm all for it, but I do want it to be my choice, not Osama Obama's.
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09-02-2009, 04:50 PM
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#50 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Brother Bob Alright, Coeloptrera. You talked me into a flu shot, but if I end up glowing in the dark, I'm coming after you! LOL! | Glad to hear it. You are a bit older and it's best to be more careful. I know after I hit my mid-40s I will be getting a lot more in the way preventative care.
It's just...the vaccination thing kills me. While there are absolutely plenty of contentious medical issues, that isn't one of them. There are no reputable studies, from anywhere in the world, that show any causal link between vaccination and things like autism.
I had a large number of vaccinations as a child both after I was in state custody and after being adopted, then even more later on in mortuary college. The concept and execution of vaccination is one of the most amazing leaps humanity has ever made in terms of preventative medicine. With it, we effectively drove a virus (smallpox) into extinction, save for a few stocks kept for research purposes and very well secured.
Oh, and to my wife...I think I'd prefer purple, or maybe red.
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09-02-2009, 05:09 PM
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#51 | | Firearm Zealot
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Who put this into motion? They should be voted out immediately!!!
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09-02-2009, 05:54 PM
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#52 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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The Pandemic Responce Bill 2028.
Here's a PDF file of the original bill. http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...df/st02028.pdf
Is that the kind of CHANGE those who voted for him wanted? I sure as heck hope not.
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09-02-2009, 06:05 PM
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#53 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by PONTIACDM | Who put this into motion? They should be voted out immediately!!! | Why?
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09-02-2009, 06:07 PM
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#54 | | Firearm Zealot
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I won't take and never will take it. I know personally someone who was paralyzed from a flu vaccine. May be one in so many 100,000 people but I'm not willing to take the risk.
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09-02-2009, 06:08 PM
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#55 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by troy2000 Because I believe it should be a personal choice not forced on anyone for any reason. Force is never a good thing.
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09-02-2009, 06:23 PM
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#56 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by PONTIACDM | Because I believe it should be a personal choice not forced on anyone for any reason. Force is never a good thing. | So who has decreed you should be forced to take it?
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09-02-2009, 06:30 PM
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#57 | | Firearm Zealot
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The way I understood the above it could come to that if they see the need for it. Am I wrong? If it is passed that is.
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09-02-2009, 06:33 PM
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#58 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by PONTIACDM | The way I understood the above it could come to that if they see the need for it. Am I wrong? If it is passed that is. | If what is passed?
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09-02-2009, 10:39 PM
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#59 | | Firearm Aficionado
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| My neighbor's brother-in-law said that he heard it would sterilize the male population, over 25, and then render them impotent. Heard it on the grapevine. I'm not sure if I believe it or not. | |
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09-03-2009, 07:10 AM
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#60 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by troy2000
First post- A new law passed by the state Senate in Massachusetts calls for mandatory vaccinations of all citizens and a $1,000 / day fine for those who refuse to cooperate. It also legalizes health care "interrogations" of Mass. citizens, forced entry into homes without a warrant, the on-site destruction of buildings or objects suspected of harboring the virus, the government kidnapping of family pets, "involuntary transportation" of people into quarantine camps and much more.
I guess it already passed according to this paragraph. If they are fining you they are trying to force you to take it.
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