Ive been reading that california's next attempt was to get rid of semi automatics... is this completely true? are they really gonna step it up another notch on these bans on firearms? Ok, i guess i can relate to the machine gun bans (but i still dont think they should be banned AT ALL.) but now semis? isnt the 10 round magazine ENOUGH?
How do you think they did it in the UK???????????????
First it was full autos (1920), then Firearm registration (1960's),then centre-fire semi-autos & Pumps, then shotgun registration, shotguns over 3 shots, then hand guns.......................They're now trying for registration of Air Weapons............
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Ive been reading that california's next attempt was to get rid of semi automatics... is this completely true? are they really gonna step it up another notch on these bans on firearms? Ok, i guess i can relate to the machine gun bans (but i still dont think they should be banned AT ALL.) but now semis? isnt the 10 round magazine ENOUGH?
This is FUD, there is nothing like that going on. Please Dont believe 90% of what you here on the Internet about CA gun laws, especially on gunbroaker.com
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Wtf?? No... the DOJ and the legislature have pretty much lost any power to ban specific series/models of firearms now. Specific firearms cannot be banned, nor can a firearm by series. That's the core of the 2006 lawsuit against the DOJ... Come on guys, don't even begin to believe these internet rumours. Right now, the two biggies here in California are AB962 and SB585. Call your state representatives and oppose them now!
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Since I'm planning to move back to CA in the next few months (hey it's where the jobs are in the semiconductor world), I guess it's time to brush up on the firearms laws.
Anybody know if the Yugo SKS is still on the banned list? If so, maybe I'll sell it and replace it with the much less efficient, and tactical, Saiga (yeah, tongue-in-cheek).
Thanks.
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Since I'm planning to move back to CA in the next few months (hey it's where the jobs are in the semiconductor world), I guess it's time to brush up on the firearms laws.
Anybody know if the Yugo SKS is still on the banned list? If so, maybe I'll sell it and replace it with the much less efficient, and tactical, Saiga (yeah, tongue-in-cheek).
Thanks.
I bought a Yugo sks last year at big 5. so i'd go with no. not banned, although I did read something about the grenade launcher. if you have one of those you may want to check out a bit further. there's jobs in California?
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The Yugo is fine, just make sure to remove the grenade launcher before you bring it into California. I would also not bring the separated GL into state, I believe it is still classified as a Destructive Device, even though it's not attached to the rifle.
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Here in So. Cal. the government wants you to kill only 10 people in a crowded place instead of 20. If they made it an automatic death penalty for the criminal who uses the gun we would have a drastic drop in intentional gun crimes eh? Save 10 people. Prosecute the criminal not the gun.
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I bought a Yugo sks last year at big 5. so i'd go with no. not banned, although I did read something about the grenade launcher. if you have one of those you may want to check out a bit further. there's jobs in California?
At one point all SKS's EXCEPT the Yugo were legal in CA. I know that Big 5 modified all of the Yugos they sold, no matter the state, to meet CA rules. Not sure if they had to add additional American content, and I believe if you remove the grenade launcher muzzle and replace it with a flash supressor then you have to "Americanize" it as well (this would cost more than the Yugo is worth). Hence buying a Saiga might be a better solution.
Jobs... yes. I'm in the semiconductor industry, and there are a lot more jobs in Silicon Valley (for me) than in the Valley Of The Sun (none for me). CA is my perennial home as well (kids, grandkids, parents, and freinds, all live there).
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I would buy a Saiga. You could try to trade your Yugo for a Romanian also. Also, the only things that are truly banned are those rifles that are actually labeled "SKS" which is mainly some of the Norinco commercial imports. A Yugoslavian Self-Loading Carbine Model 59 or 59/66 is completely legal as long as it conforms to the AWB (IE no grenade launcher or the laucher is welded over and rendered inoperable).
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I would buy a Saiga. You could try to trade your Yugo for a Romanian also. Also, the only things that are truly banned are those rifles that are actually labeled "SKS" which is mainly some of the Norinco commercial imports. A Yugoslavian Self-Loading Carbine Model 59 or 59/66 is completely legal as long as it conforms to the AWB (IE no grenade launcher or the laucher is welded over and rendered inoperable).
Thanks FS. Like I said time to brush up on CA regs.
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Of course, any other questions? Oh and if you can afford it, buy as many off-roster pistols and stripped lowers as you can before you move. They are expensive here and the pistols that are off-roster are almost unobtanium here..
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I would buy a Saiga. You could try to trade your Yugo for a Romanian also. Also, the only things that are truly banned are those rifles that are actually labeled "SKS" which is mainly some of the Norinco commercial imports. A Yugoslavian Self-Loading Carbine Model 59 or 59/66 is completely legal as long as it conforms to the AWB (IE no grenade launcher or the laucher is welded over and rendered inoperable).
Untrue, Norincos are legal as long as they have no bayonet. Romanians are legal as are all the rest UNLESS they have detachable mags.
Romys and Russians are C&R. Bayonets are OK on those.
Yugos must have the grenade launcher removed and replaced w/a "muzzle break"
I have both a Romy and a Norinco bought from a gun store in North Highlands CA.
Biggest issue is 922r (Federal) Check out calguns.net for the laws as they have them posted.
You forget that Yugo's are also federally C&R and therefore can also have Bayonets. Also, there is currently some debate over 922(r) applying to individuals rather than the importers. I will keep you all updated, however the ATF has received several letters asking for clarification on the matter from people I know and I will keep you all updated.
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You may be right about Norincos and Bayonets, I may be thinking of Chicom military SKS style rifles. I have seen many of those with bayonets and always think of Chicom and Norinco as the same. I will ask around and get back to you.
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FS00008,
You are quite a legal genius when it comes to our effed up CA laws. There is a lot of BS out there, and you do a good job of countering it. I do the best that I can as well. I think I remember telling you about all OLL's when you first came to gunandgame, so everytime I see one of your posts showing your knowledge it makes me smile. Keep up the good work, friend!
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Thanks .22Guy, I've asked some of the "Right People" and looked over the laws myself, but it is confusing.
Specifically mentioned in the Roberti-Roos list regarding SKS type rifles are the following:
"Made in China 56"
"Norinco 56"
Here is a link to the California AW ID flowchart, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
The chart is a handy quick reference guide for AWs here in California. So based upon my research, if it's a Chinese SKS type rifle and is not marked "Norinco 56" or "Made in China 56" it should be legal with regards to the Roberti-Roos list and SB23.
YMMV however. To be honest I'd stick with something that is less controversial such as a Yugo, Albanian, Romanian, East German, Russian, Vietnamese, Polish, etc. SKS type rifle. Romanian and Russian SKS rifles made before 1960 (up to 1959) are C&R Cash and Carry here in California as of 01/01/10. They are cash and carry as long as they are in original configuration ONLY.
However, there are apparently Chinese SKS type rifles that are legal here in California (Even with a Bayonet) and as far as I can find out from my research they would be legal as long as they are not any of the above models listed.
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