[Russ Hatch]

Posted by Troy 2000

"Let's give up in despair, and go back to the good old days when old folks just starved, or died of treatable conditions!"

I'm not sure whose old folks you are talking about. When my grandfather had a stroke at age 90 and had to be placed in a nursing home with full time care because he was paralyzed my father paid the bills. No old folks in my family ever starved or died from treatable conditions because the family took care of them either by paying the bills or giving them a place to live. that is what families do where I come from. Grandpa died of natural causes at age 98.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Russ Hatch

Posted by Troy 2000 "Let's give up in despair, and go back to the good old days when old folks just starved, or died of treatable conditions!" I'm not sure whose old folks you are talking about. When my grandfather had a stroke at age 90 and had to be placed in a nursing home with full time care because he was paralyzed my father paid the bills. No old folks in my family ever starved or died from treatable conditions because the family took care of them either by paying the bills or giving them a place to live. that is what families do where I come from. Grandpa died of natural causes at age 98.

If everyone were as lucky as your grandfather, and as well off financially as your father, Social Security and medicare would never have been created. And believe me, people are better off today for them....even where you come from.

[nostraboys]

Troy, have you read all 1100 pages of the health care act? I have not and don't have the time. If you do, let me know if it does refer to the RFID chip. If it makes one mention of the chip in the health care bill then you have to believe!

[Russ Hatch]

Troy, I grew up on 160 acre family farm where we worked from can see to can't see. I can not remember my Dad ever taking a vacation. We worked 7 days a week all year. We were along way from financially independent. If you ate it you raised it. My whole point is maybe we need to go back to the days where family took care of each other from birth to grave. Grand ma and Grandpa were part of the family and had a part to play in the family life instead of being ware housed as they are now.

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TRUE GRIT

At least in the debate on G&G no one is bitting each others fingers off.. Man's Finger Bitten Off in Scuffle at Health Care Rally - KTLA "THOUSAND OAKS -- A 65 year old man had his finger bitten off Wednesday evening at a health care rally in Thousand Oaks, according to the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. Sheriff's investigators were called to Hillcrest and Lynn Road at 7:26 p.m. About 100 protesters sponsored by MoveOn.org were having a rally supporting health care reform. A group of anti-health care reform protesters formed across the street. A witness from the scene told KTLA the man who got his finger bitten off was walking through the anti-reform group to get to the pro-reform group when he got in an altercation with someone from the anti-reform side. The man apparently punched the person from the anti-reform side. In the scuffle that ensued, that person bit the man's pinky finger, severing it. The man took his finger and walked to Los Robles hospital for treatment. Police don't know who bit the man's finger off, but they're investigating the incident"

Well, well, the liberal group Move on, what do you expect. They, Pelosi and the rest talk about mob tactics and other crap but a group that supports them does something and you don't hear word one from them. SO TYPICAL!

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Well, well, the liberal group Move on, what do you expect. They, Pelosi and the rest talk about mob tactics and other crap but a group that supports them does something and you don't hear word one from them. SO TYPICAL!

Let me get this straight: according to the story, two people get into an 'altercation.' One of them punches the other one, and winds up getting his finger bitten off by the guy he punched.

I'm missing something here. Where's the 'mob tactics and other crap'? Two guys in a fight is hardly a mob....

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Russ Hatch

Troy, I grew up on 160 acre family farm where we worked from can see to can't see. I can not remember my Dad ever taking a vacation. We worked 7 days a week all year. We were along way from financially independent. If you ate it you raised it. My whole point is maybe we need to go back to the days where family took care of each other from birth to grave. Grand ma and Grandpa were part of the family and had a part to play in the family life instead of being ware housed as they are now.

If we went back to those days, we'd also be going back to the days of poorhouses. They had those in the Colonies clear back in the 1600's, you know.

A mere thirty-six years after arrival at Jamestown, in 1643, legislators [in Virginia] passed a law “for the releife of the diverse poore people that . . . are disabled to labor by reason of sicknes, lamenes or age.” Page

Looks like family values alone weren't getting the job done even back in 1643.

Not everyone is lucky enough to be living on a 160 acre farm with a loving family when they get too old to work. And a whole lot of people who work their butts off their whole lives still wind up not being able to afford the medical care they need in their old age.

[tlarkin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Seriously?

Come on people!

If you seriously believe this rubbish go out side, take a walk, have some fun, because that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time.

Almost as ridiculous as L Ron Hubbard starting a massive religion...

[TRUE GRIT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Seriously? Come on people! If you seriously believe this rubbish go out side, take a walk, have some fun, because that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time. Almost as ridiculous as L Ron Hubbard starting a massive religion...

Ohhh you did it now! The scientology mother ship has just locked on to your position and a car with Tom Cruise is on its way to your house to begin your re-education.

Run tlarkin, run !

[homerfire232]

Social Security has been widely succesful? Are you kidding me? Now I know you are crazy Troy. Check out the history of the SSI program, first, it was designed to be voluntary, second, it was to go into an interest bearing account, third, the government could'nt touch it. Now it's so messed up, the average American who has contributed involuntaraly will be lucky to get less than $800 a month. Can you live on $200 per week now? Let alone when you are retired and require medicine to live that medicaid does'nt cover, This is happening in the great state of NY as we speak. I would bet a shiny nickle if the members of congress were forced to live off SSI when they retire, the SSI problems would be fixed in two days. They don't have to put into it, they don't have to use it, all they have to do is abuse it for us!!!!!!!!!

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TRUE GRIT

Ohhh you did it now! The scientology mother ship has just locked on to your position and a car with Tom Cruise is on its way to your house to begin your re-education. Run tlarkin, run !

I have a tin foil shield!

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by homerfire232

Social Security has been widely succesful? Are you kidding me? Now I know you are crazy Troy. Check out the history of the SSI program, first, it was designed to be voluntary, second, it was to go into an interest bearing account, third, the government could'nt touch it. Now it's so messed up, the average American who has contributed involuntaraly will be lucky to get less than $800 a month. Can you live on $200 per week now? Let alone when you are retired and require medicine to live that medicaid does'nt cover, This is happening in the great state of NY as we speak. I would bet a shiny nickle if the members of congress were forced to live off SSI when they retire, the SSI problems would be fixed in two days. They don't have to put into it, they don't have to use it, all they have to do is abuse it for us!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell me that. Go tell it to the Social Security recipients in the country, to whom it has made the difference between not having a pot to piss in or managing to get by.

If you're seriously trying to claim seniors today are worse off with Social Security than they would have been without it, I have to wonder what dimension you commute in from every mornig....

And where do you come up with your figure of less than $800 a month? As of July of this year, the average retired worker on Social Security was getting about $1160 a month, not less than $800. And no one ever claimed the purpose of the program was to let everyone retire in the lap of luxury, without needing else at all.

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quick...stat_snapshot/

[Coeloptera]

Hmm...just throwing this out here.

You know what services we already have and have had for quite some time that are, in essence, "nationalized healthcare"?

Sanitation and water.

- Coeloptera

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

They've had readable microchips for years, Moose. My dogs have them under the skin on the back of their necks. But I see nothing in this health care bill that requires or recommends they be placed in people. And while you may not have personally said so, that's the claim made by this thread.

Niether do I. I think the point is that given other countries govt's and how they've misled their people into an abyssmal state, and our own govt that we now mistrust (with good reason I might add), The fear of passing something that might have a loophole allowing the feds to force implantation of a chip. They can try and force it and say that it's covered under the health care reform, even though it's not specifically stated. The chip could be "theoretically" be forced upon us. I think this is where the fear is.

[lvlt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dragunov

Niether do I. I think the point is that given other countries govt's and how they've misled their people into an abyssmal state, and our own govt that we now mistrust (with good reason I might add), The fear of passing something that might have a loophole allowing the feds to force implantation of a chip. They can try and force it and say that it's covered under the health care reform, even though it's not specifically stated. The chip could be "theoretically" be forced upon us. I think this is where the fear is.

feds don't need loopholes, they just drill them.

pat

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Coeloptera

Hmm...just throwing this out here. You know what services we already have and have had for quite some time that are, in essence, "nationalized healthcare"? Sanitation and water. - Coeloptera

HANDLED LOCALLY.
Or did you not know.

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

This has nothing to do with anyone backing a horse. It has to do with people getting hysterical over false information. I don't have to be an Obama backer to call bs when I smell bs.

You appear to be the only strong Obama backer here. If others don't share your enthusiasm at this point, it might be that his efforts have resulted in the largest debt ever.....(you've never explained for him how this will be met), a cabinet of inexperienced crooks, and stonewalling of simple questions such as : Where is the openess and transparency of your office Mr Pres ? Holder (another guy with a very suspect M.O., is doing what he can to weaken the U.S. both home and abroad and far and away most Americans don't like it.
The press is still pretty quiet (compared to anything Bush did) yet his poll numbers are now in the 40s. Zogby had him at 42%. That means that a whole bunch of independents who voted for him, are strongly questioning his theme of "CHANGE" . They had assumed it would be change for the better I guess.
I am sure you will be jumping to his defense on virtually anything that is said of him or about him, and I know that you will be a very busy man with the required time spent on search engines and at the keyboard, but I personally think that is like rearranging chairs on the HMS Titanic, as the Presidents vision for a nanny state isn't realistic.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by FortyXDM

You appear to be the only strong Obama backer here. If others don't share your enthusiasm at this point, it might be that his efforts have resulted in the largest debt ever.....(you've never explained for him how this will be met), a cabinet of inexperienced crooks, and stonewalling of simple questions such as : Where is the openess and transparency of your office Mr Pres ? Holder (another guy with a very suspect M.O., is doing what he can to weaken the U.S. both home and abroad and far and away most Americans don't like it. The press is still pretty quiet (compared to anything Bush did) yet his poll numbers are now in the 40s. Zogby had him at 42%. That means that a whole bunch of independents who voted for him, are strongly questioning his theme of "CHANGE" . They had assumed it would be change for the better I guess. I am sure you will be jumping to his defense on virtually anything that is said of him or about him, and I know that you will be a very busy man with the required time spent on search engines and at the keyboard, but I personally think that is like rearranging chairs on the HMS Titanic, as the Presidents vision for a nanny state isn't realistic.

Yep, you nailed me. I'm not just trying to pound some common sense into people around here. I'm really a mindless, brainwashed Obamanite, assigned to subvert gun owners on this site.

Obama is going to stick microchips in us, and lock us up in FEMA camps so the UN can take over Washington.

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Yep, you nailed me. I'm not just trying to pound some common sense into people around here. I'm really a mindless, brainwashed Obamanite, assigned to subvert gun owners on this site. Obama is going to stick microchips in us, and lock us up in FEMA camps so the UN can take over Washington.

You forgot "honest".

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Is it so hard for you to believe that everything someone does is not necessarily part of an evil plot to gain control over your life and mine? Face it: the best thing anyone in power could possibly do for themselves is to leave us the !@#$ alone, so we keep taking care of ourselves and paying taxes without costing the system. Why would they want to screw with that?

Hey, the Nazis had their control in the bag. That didn't stop them from stepping over the line...

What makes you think this couldn't happen here?