[CrazyIvan]

Reference: Here is the Obamacare Text in its raw form:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf


I came across an article talking about how there are pages in the bill suggesting Implants. Here is the article:
Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip? // Current

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Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread... Lets first say this, I am an Obama supporter 100%. There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like. The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B: 14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1), 16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized 17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of 18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health 19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the 20 Secretary" What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see... Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary." This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive. So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually?????? And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????

So, I decided to go research it myself, and it checks out. Note the Items of the following marked in RED starting on page 1001 of the bill:

Items in BLUE are my side-notes that I added.

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9 Subtitle C—National Medical 10 Device Registry 11 SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY. 12 (a) REGISTRY.— 13 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal 14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is 15 amended— 16 (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as sub 17 section (h); and 18 (B) by inserting after subsection (f) the 19 following: 20 ‘‘National Medical Device Registry 21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med **NOTE, this (1) denotes "Paragraph (1)" referenced later 22 ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the 23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and 24 outcomes data on each device that— 25 ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:51 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 01001 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\AAHCA0~1.XML HOLCPC July 14, 2009 (12:51 p.m.) F:\P11\NHI\TRICOMM\AAHCA09_001.XML f:\VHLC\071409\071409.140.xml (444390|2) 1002 1 ‘‘(B) is—2 ‘‘(i) a class III device; or 3 ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, 4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining. 5 ‘‘(2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall, 6 in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, 7 the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid 8 Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordi 9 nator for Health Information Technology, and the Sec 10 retary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods 11 for— 12 ‘‘(A) including in the registry, in a manner con 13 sistent with subsection (f), appropriate information 14 to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by 15 type, model, and serial number or other unique iden 16 tifier; 17 ‘‘(B) validating methods for analyzing patient 18 safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and 19 for linking such data with the information included 20 in the registry as described in subparagraph (A), in 21 cluding, to the extent feasible, use of— 22 ‘‘(i) data provided to the Secretary under **NOTE: So, govt. will be having access your personal medical records... 23 other provisions of this chapter; and 24 ‘‘(ii) information from public and private 25 sources identified under paragraph (3); VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:51 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 01002 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\AAHCA0~1.XML HOLCPC July 14, 2009 (12:51 p.m.) F:\P11\NHI\TRICOMM\AAHCA09_001.XML f:\VHLC\071409\071409.140.xml (444390|2) 1003 1 ‘‘(C) integrating the activities described in this 2 subsection with— 3 ‘‘(i) activities under paragraph (3) of sec 4 tion 505(k) (relating to active postmarket risk 5 identification); 6 ‘‘(ii) activities under paragraph (4) of sec 7 tion 505(k) (relating to advanced analysis of 8 drug safety data); and 9 ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance 10 activities of the Secretary authorized by this 11 chapter; and 12 ‘‘(D) providing public access to the data and 13 analysis collected or developed through the registry 14 in a manner and form that protects patient privacy 15 and proprietary information and is comprehensive, 16 useful, and not misleading to patients, physicians, 17 and scientists. 18 ‘‘(3)(A) To facilitate analyses of postmarket safety 19 and patient outcomes for devices described in paragraph 20 (1), the Secretary shall, in collaboration with public, aca 21 demic, and private entities, develop methods to— 22 ‘‘(i) obtain access to disparate sources of 23 patient safety and outcomes data, including— 24 ‘‘(I) Federal health-related electronic 25 data (such as data from the Medicare pro- VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:51 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 01003 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\AAHCA0~1.XML HOLCPC July 14, 2009 (12:51 p.m.) F:\P11\NHI\TRICOMM\AAHCA09_001.XML f:\VHLC\071409\071409.140.xml (444390|2) 1004 1 gram under title XVIII of the Social Secu 2 rity Act or from the health systems of the 3 Department of Veterans Affairs); 4 ‘‘(II) private sector health-related 5 electronic data (such as pharmaceutical 6 purchase data and health insurance claims 7 data); and 8 ‘‘(III) other data as the Secretary 9 deems necessary to permit postmarket as 10 sessment of device safety and effectiveness; 11 and 12 ‘‘(ii) link data obtained under clause (i) 13 with information in the registry. 14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in 15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1), 16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized 17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of 18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health 19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the 20 Secretary. **NOTE: Any 'other' data deemed appropriate by the Secretary ??? What does this mean? Driving records? Arrest records? Consumer records??? hmm 21 ‘‘(4) Not later than 36 months after the date of the 22 enactment of this subsection, the Secretary shall promul 23 gate regulations for establishment and operation of the 24 registry under paragraph (1). Such regulations— VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:51 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 01004 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\AAHCA0~1.XML HOLCPC July 14, 2009 (12:51 p.m.) F:\P11\NHI\TRICOMM\AAHCA09_001.XML f:\VHLC\071409\071409.140.xml (444390|2) 1005 1 ‘‘(A)(i) in the case of devices that are described 2 in paragraph (1) and sold on or after the date of the 3 enactment of this subsection, shall require manufac 4 turers of such devices to submit information to the 5 registry, including, for each such device, the type, 6 model, and serial number or, if required under sub 7 section (f), other unique device identifier; and 8 ‘‘(ii) in the case of devices that are described in 9 paragraph (1) and sold before such date, may re 10 quire manufacturers of such devices to submit such 11 information to the registry, if deemed necessary by 12 the Secretary to protect the public health; 13 ‘‘(B) shall establish procedures— 14 ‘‘(i) to permit linkage of information sub 15 mitted pursuant to subparagraph (A) with pa 16 tient safety and outcomes data obtained under 17 paragraph (3); and 18 ‘‘(ii) to permit analyses of linked data; 19 ‘‘(C) may require device manufacturers to sub 20 mit such other information as is necessary to facili 21 tate postmarket assessments of device safety and ef 22 fectiveness and notification of device risks; 23 ‘‘(D) shall establish requirements for regular 24 and timely reports to the Secretary, which shall be 25 included in the registry, concerning adverse event VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:51 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 01005 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\AAHCA0~1.XML HOLCPC July 14, 2009 (12:51 p.m.) F:\P11\NHI\TRICOMM\AAHCA09_001.XML f:\VHLC\071409\071409.140.xml (444390|2) 1006 1 trends, adverse event patterns, incidence and preva 2 lence of adverse events, and other information the 3 Secretary determines appropriate, which may include 4 data on comparative safety and outcomes trends; 5 and 6 ‘‘(E) shall establish procedures to permit public 7 access to the information in the registry in a manner 8 and form that protects patient privacy and propri **NOTE: So, kinda like the illegal wiretaps?! 9 etary information and is comprehensive, useful, and 10 not misleading to patients, physicians, and sci 11 entists.

Yet another thing in this bill that I think is disheartening and a blatant example of their citizen abuse. Reminds me of the tattoos used for prisoners and slaves of WWII by the Nazis.


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[wunhunglo]

Gereat Idea I think. You'd be able to have a full medical just by driving through a scanner, not even bother getting out of your car. Just like Highway toll scanner cards! Records and movements updated instantly, just think how convenient that would be. If it's OK for "Fifi" my dog, then it's OK for me. I'm all for it. (Actually, It might make me want to emigrate to the States, it's such a good idea.)

[LexiconDevil]

Put a micro-chip in me?!? How about I just tatoo my balls red white and blue instead? You can keep yer f**kin' chip, I'm not yer damn Ipod!!!

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Gereat Idea I think. You'd be able to have a full medical just by driving through a scanner, not even bother getting out of your car. Just like Highway toll scanner cards! Records and movements updated instantly, just think how convenient that would be. If it's OK for "Fifi" my dog, then it's OK for me. I'm all for it. (Actually, It might make me want to emigrate to the States, it's such a good idea.)

And I think it's a great idea, too, as long as it's a choice.

It's all about choice.

That's the real rub on this. It should be left up to people, not be made mandatory.

[The_Patriot]

At any rate, it's moot for me.

The aliens already did mine!

[Big Dog]

A LOT of Americans, myself included, will absolutely refuse this intrusion in our personal privacy.
But..... what happens when bobo and his goons require the chip for getting a job, for buying, for banking, for sending your kids to school......?

This could be the "Chip" that breaks the camel's back - lock & load folks.

[LiveToShoot]

Boiled down to its stark reality, it's all about government control...

...cleverly package in health care, save/protect children, assist elderly, enhance medical capability and whatever other soft-sell candy-coated activities of mother govt.

I think all politicians should be RFID'd so we know what they're up to and we can send an electrical charge when they misbehave...

...just imagine the power bill that would run up, 'cause they're misbehavin' a lot.

[LexiconDevil]

Ya know,the more I think about this government chip,the more I want to climb to the roof top and let out a good rebel yell! We'er due for revolution,why not let the chip be the last straw? How about we shove a nintendo up Obama's a** and ask him if he still thinks its a cool idea.I'm gonna need some help stormin' the white house,so everyone be sure to eat yer weates this morning,and plan for lets say noon? Does that work for everyone?(LOL)

[ArkansasHunter]

If I caught someone trien to inject me with a chip I'll end up on Death Row !!!

[DesertRaider109]

Yep, they sure as hell won't be implanting one of those in me or my family.

Funny how Alex Jones always mentions the RFID chip as the main goal of a "New World Order" conspiracy; now we have actual legislation backing it up.

[troy2000]

I've skimmed through that mess several times, trying to find out where the proposed health care bill actually requires, or even recommends, that people be chipped. I didn't find it. There's a page number for the definition of class II devices (which are already in use), but none for any part of the bill that discusses their use.

Looks like more pointless fearmongering to me....my mother had a morphine pump implanted, which pinpointed the degenerating parts of her spine. It stopped her from having to live in a drug-induced stupor from morphine shots or codeine tablets. And the pump had scannable data on it. That's how they knew when it needed to be refilled.

[BunnyWabbit]

I always heard that the masses getting chipped was going to be the mark of the devil.

[Kaybe]

The book of Revelations talks about the mark of the beast. 666. You won't be able to buy or sell anything without one. But those who have the mark are condemned to hell. Thus, the fear of the cashless society. Some years ago, a japanese firm was able to inject a silicone substance under the skin and use a laser to "tattoo" a number on the silicone to ID the person. It was completely invisible.But, it didn't go much futher than a prototype. I won't take a chip from Uncle Sam, the wedding ring is enough control for me to handle.

[Ten Man]

For the "mindless masses" a chip implant makes as much sense as all the other nanny government programs.

You can bet that I will not ever have one, voluntarily or otherwise.

This "Bill" is going to be known as the "Bill of Enslavement" as opposed to the Bill of Rights that we used to have.

[troy2000]

So now it isn't just a health care reform bill; it's the work of the Devil.

C'mon, folks. We can do better than this....

[BunnyWabbit]

Sorry Troy, but I live smack in the middle of the Bible belt. There are just a few things happening in this world that are making me just a little nervous. The list of goverment control of things they shouldn't have control of is getting longer and longer. Including the the things they are trying to get control of. It's worse now than it's ever been. My beliefs, religious and otherwise, see a problem with a person (myself specifically) getting a microchip implanted so I can be afforded healthcare, etc. in this country.

[Big Dog]

It IS a reality elsewhere. There are popular clubs in Europe where the regulars get a chip implanted int heir hands - when they walk in the door, they are automatically scanned, and their drinks and other 'purchases' are automatically deducted from their account. "Quick & easy" convenience being the mantra......

The technology is here, now. Just depends on how the FedGov puts it in a pretty package for the Sheeple to go for it.

[Ten Man]

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So now it isn't just a health care reform bill; it's the work of the Devil.

Now who is being silly?

It is the work of power mad elitists who have no interest in religion, only the control of the population of the world, and all it's monetary production. It's all about greed. Always has been. Always will be.

There is no other reason or logical justification for such tyrannical machinations.

[stalebiscuit]

i would never let anyone put a chip in me, and if they did, id take it out and put it in a squirrel, er something

just to F*** with their heads

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Ten Man

Now who is being silly? It is the work of power mad elitists who have no interest in religion, only the control of the population of the world, and all it's monetary production. It's all about greed. Always has been. Always will be. There is no other reason or logical justification for such tyrannical machinations.

I'm not the one being silly; at least two people in this thread so far have suggested microchipping is the mark of the Beast or the mark of the Devil.

I repeat: can anyone show me where in this bill it requires or even recommends that microchipping be part of obtaining health care?