A few years back one of the small town police departments near me got 12 MP 5 machine guns. Still cant figure out why a police department would need fully auto machine guns.
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I'm surprised that the services are handing out M-14 service rifles. Out of the original 1.6 million produced for the military from 1957 to 1964, there are only about 50,000 M-14s assembled and in serviceable condition. The Clinton Administration ordered the destruction of 250,000 and another 250,000 to be given away as foreign aid to Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania; the three former Soviet republics on the Baltic Sea. Considering that other M-14s were sent to the Philippines, South Korea, and Taiwan in the late 60s, 70s, and 80s, the numbers must be getting pretty thin. I heard that Springfield Armory, Inc. may be supplying the armed forces with spare parts to rebuild and update existing stocks of these rifles.
I couldn’t help but notice the .38 Ruger “Six-series” revolvers and .45 M1911A1 auto pistols. The Rugers came from the Air Force. I know for a fact that the Navy and the Marines still have M1911A1s in reserve storage, but I don’t know how many or for how long. Since 9/11, the services ordered far more 9mm M9 service pistols than originally anticipated, and more are procured every year.
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A few years back one of the small town police departments near me got 12 MP 5 machine guns. Still cant figure out why a police department would need fully auto machine guns.
Capt'n - are you talking about Newport, MN? they were approved based on the number of bank robberies down there prior to the improvements to US 61.
The meth heads tend to set up labs in rural areas. The ones who are serious about protecting their business are often pretty heavily armed. The best way to gain control in a situation like that is to show up with an overwhelmingly superior force in the hopes that the intimidation factor will be so large you don't need to use that force at all. If the bad guys have ARs and AKs, a couple of full autos in heavy calibers should convince them they can't win.
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm surprised that the services are handing out M-14 service rifles. Out of the original 1.6 million produced for the military from 1957 to 1964, there are only about 50,000 M-14s assembled and in serviceable condition.
There are many more than 50K serviceable M14s from which to pull from.
TACOM-RI has access to 89K ready for action M14s that they are converting into M14 EBRs at a rate of about 300 per month. There are tens of thousands of additional M14s still in possession of the US military.
The 7.62 M14 is ideal for use in Indiana's rural flat lands, but the 5.56 M16 may get deflected by the many tall stalks of corn.
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A few years back one of the small town police departments near me got 12 MP 5 machine guns. Still cant figure out why a police department would need fully auto machine guns.
Probably only to be able to match some of the heavy firepower that can come their way. I'm thinking of the killings of the 3 Pittsburgh PA police officers who responded to a domestic and walked into a major arsenal. Granted, the firearms would not have stopped the initial killings, but would have more quickly stopped the hell that broke out afterward.
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Our local Sheriff's department has a full-auto Thompson hanging in a secure cabinet in the Sheriff's personal office. They break it out about once a year and warm it up a little. SWAT doesn't get to use it.
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There are many more than 50K serviceable M14s from which to pull from.
TACOM-RI has access to 89K ready for action M14s that they are converting into M14 EBRs at a rate of about 300 per month. There are tens of thousands of additional M14s still in possession of the US military.
The 7.62 M14 is ideal for use in Indiana's rural flat lands, but the 5.56 M16 may get deflected by the many tall stalks of corn.
I'm glad to hear that. It's one of those times I dont mind being wrong. I got my figures from an article on Military.com. I must have left out a zero or something. I do know 1.6 million M14s were produced from 1957 until the adaptation of the M16/M16A1 in the mid-60s. I hope they are not all converted. There is something to be said about the original iron sighted design.
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I'm glad to hear that. It's one of those times I dont mind being wrong. ...There is something to be said about the original iron sighted design.
All of the "modernized" M14s wear glass and very few of them have a functional rock-n-roll switch.
The factory iron sights are left intact except when the front is moved back a few inches to the gas lock.
The gas lock front sight allows for direct connection of a sound suppressor
All of the "modernized" M14s wear glass and very few of them have a functional rock-n-roll switch.
The factory iron sights are left intact except when the front is moved back a few inches to the gas lock.
The gas lock front sight allows for direct connection of a sound suppressor
Yeah, I see the new location of the front sight on the suppressed version. I did see one scoped M14 (M26) when I was in Iraq. There were probably more but most of the SOCOM guys carried them around in cases when in transit. I guess the only iron sighted originals will be found aboard Navy ships for the various onboard security alert teams. I guess the Navy will be wise to avoid creating unnecessary fragility in an otherwise tough service rifle.
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A few years back one of the small town police departments near me got 12 MP 5 machine guns. Still cant figure out why a police department would need fully auto machine guns.
I know some LEO's around SEATAC airport in WA carry MP-5's, as do a great many SWAT teams nationwide. The correct term is SUB-machine gun as it uses a pistol caliber round (9mm). I'd wager that they are becoming increasingly popular due to their accuracy and compactness. The officers I spoke to while living in WA stated that while they carry the MP-5 in the car, they still carry a shotgun and/or a rifle in the trunk.
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A few years back one of the small town police departments near me got 12 MP 5 machine guns. Still cant figure out why a police department would need fully auto machine guns.
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I know some LEO's around SEATAC airport in WA carry MP-5's, as do a great many SWAT teams nationwide. The correct term is SUB-machine gun as it uses a pistol caliber round (9mm). I'd wager that they are becoming increasingly popular due to their accuracy and compactness. The officers I spoke to while living in WA stated that while they carry the MP-5 in the car, they still carry a shotgun and/or a rifle in the trunk.
Because when your on a SWAT or Tac team the MP5 is one of the time tested proven best weapons to have in a close quarters situation. If you are justified in using deadly force especially in a high risk situation such as a SWAT callout or other type situation a controlled pair from an MP5 is highly effective.
In pretty much every police department I know of the select fire weapons are only issued to the specially trained tac team units and are not issued out to general patrol officers.
GUNZABLAZIN, I live in Fort Wayne. . . I don't see the need for those kinds of weapons here? This is not L.A. or New York City, I could see it there but nothing even remotely close to what happens in a city of 10 million give or take a few hundred thousand, happens here. All drunk driving offenses and the like.These cops here actually assalted a 21 year old quadrapelegic kid and said he was "resisting arrest" from his wheel chair. Slammed him to the ground while still strapped in it fracturing his right wrist, over a noise complaint. I don't feel comforable with those kinds of weapons in the hands of those who have such poor judgement.
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GUNZABLAZIN, I live in Fort Wayne. . . I don't see the need for those kinds of weapons here? This is not L.A. or New York City, I could see it there but nothing even remotely close to what happens in a city of 10 million give or take a few hundred thousand, happens here. .
Drug labs and grow houses and the associated scum that goes along with it are a growing problem across rual and suburbia america, either ones funded by locals or ones funded all the way from mexico and farther south.
Drug labs, warrant service, and many other high risk call outs, etc.
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
What was the small town shooting that was on the news a couple months ago? Where the guy with the AR15 and some other guns went on a shooting rampage in town towns? Besides the high profile it was also in the news because the local US Army base sent military personnel out to assist the local PD with non LE functions but it caused a debate anyways.
Our local cops (we don't have much crime) have mini-14's (residential area) as well as 870's. I see no problem with it--you never know what kind of threat you might encounter and a shotgun/rifle is a much better weapon even for personal self-defense if you situation allows it. You can encounter a bad situation anywhere (Bad Guys don't stop at city or county limits) and also might face a wild/rabid animal threat. I'd personally rather have my high-point 9mm carbine were I to take a shot at a rabid animal than my 9mm Sig just for the better accuracy of most any rifle (don't get me wrong--I really like the Sig but it is a handgun). None have full-auto versions in our local area, and this is something that I DO see little or no use for in an LE/urban setting (for me there is too much chance of potential collateral damage and not really anything to gain over SA fire). But if it came down to the department paying $20 for an M-16 vice $1000 for an AR-15 the choice is pretty clear; get the M-16 and use it in S/A mode.
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American law enforcement has long been under gunned. With the continued introduction of the M16A4 into the armed forces; more recently with the Navy and Marines, that should free up a flood of M16A2s and other weapons for law enforcement agencies across America and the response training and tactics to go with them. With drug gang violence spilling across our borders and the threat of jihad on our shores in spite of the post-9/11 complacency taking place, it’s better to be prepared now than have to have special commissions to ask why we weren't.
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None have full-auto versions in our local area, and this is something that I DO see little or no use for in an LE/urban setting (for me there is too much chance of potential collateral damage and not really anything to gain over SA fire). But if it came down to the department paying $20 for an M-16 vice $1000 for an AR-15 the choice is pretty clear; get the M-16 and use it in S/A mode.
Just keep in mind that the full auto used in a very controlled manner usually in a short 2 or 3 round burst and in a very close in space if at all. SWAT cops arnt running around guns a blazin like Bruce Willis in Die Hard because they ARE held so accountable for where every shot goes.
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