Four San Antonio Officers down after a gunfight....

oneastrix · 01-03-2003, 02:33 PM

see www.clickonsa.com for the story. It's the lead story right now. Myself, well, that's right down the street from where I live. I'm going to go say a prayer for them.

The Criminal Justice system has failed agian.......1*....out

NRAJOE · 01-03-2003, 02:38 PM

Thank God your alright brother...everyone was worried!!!!!!

PAPA G · 01-03-2003, 03:15 PM

hope the wounded officers pull thru

Stopper · 01-03-2003, 03:28 PM

Glad to hear from you.

Prayers go out to the wounded officers.

Calvin · 01-03-2003, 04:40 PM

Keep us informed on how the officers are doing.
Glad you are okay, 1*.

Big Dog · 01-03-2003, 04:55 PM

Cudos to Officer Muniz for putting the garbage down - the Criminal Justice system won't screwup with this one again!
But, how many more are out there?

Doglips · 01-03-2003, 05:53 PM

Glad to see your ok 1*. Sounds like it happened pretty close to your home.....always sad when good people get hurt.

wes · 01-03-2003, 06:15 PM

My prayers are with them,and you 1*.

jerry · 01-03-2003, 06:41 PM

My prayers are with all as well.
1*, I'm glad you follow up with what you talk about here. Weapons retention, vest, proceedure etc.

Remember,
Posthumously awarded medals and promotions suck!

Sniper[MI] · 01-03-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by oneastrix
see www.clickonsa.com for the story. It's the lead story right now. Myself, well, that's right down the street from where I live. I'm going to go say a prayer for them.

The Criminal Justice system has failed agian.......1*....out

Howdy 1*

The officers are in my prayers and I think of the cop on the street frquently.

I am glad you are allright too my friend. Let us know if anything is needed by Officer Murray or his family, I will be the first to offer aid.

I am also glad that human piece of **** is dead. What a total zero! And isn't it funny how these whackjobs always have a mug shot on file?

Dale · 01-03-2003, 11:39 PM

I've not, for personal reasons, read the article and I won't.

*1, I will pray for our brothers and I know all things will be well in the long run.

I remember, to this very day, the very first time I put on the badge. It was a proud, proud moment and day. But, I also knew the risk I was taking. That was then....when the majority of folk respected and admired the guy or gal behind the badge. Today, it's different but one thing remains constant..........."I might not be the only man....but I'm the man that can be counted on" and I will always know that is true!

God bless them and you, 1!

FALPhil · 01-04-2003, 05:42 AM

How did the perp get the two officers' guns out of the holsters? I was under the impression that these days, most officers used the Safariland hlster that prevented situations like this.

Also, I'm wondering if this may have been one of those "suicide by cop" scenarios...

oneastrix · 01-04-2003, 10:40 AM

The rookie that gunned the guy down did it with four bullets in him. That's a true fighting spirit.

I wear a Safariland Level III holster as mentioned above. They jerks practice with the thing while in the slammer so they can get the gun when they get out.

If you go for my gun, I am going to kill you. Bottom line. That's the way we are trained. I can't say what happened at the scene 'cause I wasn't there though. Things go bad real fast sometimes.

As of now, all are still alive.

Thanks for the thoughts, comments and prayers. 1*

Klaus · 01-04-2003, 11:00 AM

This should never have happened. The officers let the perp get their guns TWICE. Who was training these guys?

Shaun · 01-04-2003, 08:48 PM

The Safariland holster is one of the best security holsters on the market and these perp's always practice new things - I know how tough it is to draw from these even if you are wearing it so they have some good skill. The officers who survived - I hope they pull through and I hope they can train others in how they got the guns away. The one who continued to fight with 4 rounds in him I have to respect he knows that he should always fight and I am glad he did.

oneastrix · 01-04-2003, 11:21 PM

I can only guess and assume, but I think the detective who responded to the call was plain clothed, and was cold-cocked right off the bat. Probably not wearing a security level holster. According to the reports, he was the first one to have his Glock taken from him. I'm guessing that he got the crap knocked out of him by the first punch and then had his weapon taken from him while stunned. The second gun removed by the perp was taken from an officer who had already been shot.......at least that's how the updated story goes at this point........I can only repeat what I have read and heard from other officers.

jerry · 01-05-2003, 08:37 AM

1*, this may sound hokey, but watch your back on how much info you pass. Some people get jumpy about some things. You never know who may be looking in. Call me parinoid. Were all concerned, but don't want to do anything that would get you called on the rug.

BTW,
I like that Canadian Ragweed on your signature block. Saw a video of 'em on CMTV. LMAO, I like the part where they distract the cop from hassleing the kids by lighting up the tires on the worn out Camaro. It's true, your always 17 in your home town.

oneastrix · 01-05-2003, 10:05 AM

Roger that Jerry.......

That song is their first commercial hit, and the first to be on CMT. They have been very big on the alternative country circuit around here for quite a while. It's good to see them finally getting paid!

01-03-2003, 02:33 PM	#1
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	Four San Antonio Officers down after a gunfight.... see www.clickonsa.com for the story. It's the lead story right now. Myself, well, that's right down the street from where I live. I'm going to go say a prayer for them. The Criminal Justice system has failed agian.......1*....out __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-03-2003, 02:38 PM	#2
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,992 Trader Rating: (0)	Thank God your alright brother...everyone was worried!!!!!! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

01-03-2003, 03:15 PM	#3
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	WE SURE ARE !!!! hope the wounded officers pull thru

01-03-2003, 03:28 PM	#4
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,209 Trader Rating: (0)	Glad to hear from you. Prayers go out to the wounded officers. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

01-03-2003, 04:40 PM	#5
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,991 Trader Rating: (0)	Keep us informed on how the officers are doing. Glad you are okay, 1*. __________________ I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.

01-03-2003, 04:55 PM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,020 Trader Rating: (0)	Cudos to Officer Muniz for putting the garbage down - the Criminal Justice system won't screwup with this one again! But, how many more are out there? __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

01-03-2003, 05:53 PM	#7
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090 Trader Rating: (0)	Glad to see your ok 1*. Sounds like it happened pretty close to your home.....always sad when good people get hurt.

01-03-2003, 06:15 PM	#8
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906 Trader Rating: (0)	My prayers are with them,and you 1*.

01-03-2003, 06:41 PM	#9
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,757 Trader Rating: (0)	My prayers are with all as well. 1*, I'm glad you follow up with what you talk about here. Weapons retention, vest, proceedure etc. Remember, Posthumously awarded medals and promotions suck! __________________

01-03-2003, 11:39 PM	#11
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284 Trader Rating: (0)	I've not, for personal reasons, read the article and I won't. *1, I will pray for our brothers and I know all things will be well in the long run. I remember, to this very day, the very first time I put on the badge. It was a proud, proud moment and day. But, I also knew the risk I was taking. That was then....when the majority of folk respected and admired the guy or gal behind the badge. Today, it's different but one thing remains constant..........."I might not be the only man....but I'm the man that can be counted on" and I will always know that is true! God bless them and you, 1! __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

01-04-2003, 05:42 AM	#12
FALPhil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Occupied Confederacy Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	How did the perp get the two officers' guns out of the holsters? I was under the impression that these days, most officers used the Safariland hlster that prevented situations like this. Also, I'm wondering if this may have been one of those "suicide by cop" scenarios...

01-04-2003, 10:40 AM	#13
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	The rookie that gunned the guy down did it with four bullets in him. That's a true fighting spirit. I wear a Safariland Level III holster as mentioned above. They jerks practice with the thing while in the slammer so they can get the gun when they get out. If you go for my gun, I am going to kill you. Bottom line. That's the way we are trained. I can't say what happened at the scene 'cause I wasn't there though. Things go bad real fast sometimes. As of now, all are still alive. Thanks for the thoughts, comments and prayers. 1* __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-04-2003, 11:00 AM	#14
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,383 Trader Rating: (0)	This should never have happened. The officers let the perp get their guns TWICE. Who was training these guys? __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

01-04-2003, 08:48 PM	#15
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	The Safariland holster is one of the best security holsters on the market and these perp's always practice new things - I know how tough it is to draw from these even if you are wearing it so they have some good skill. The officers who survived - I hope they pull through and I hope they can train others in how they got the guns away. The one who continued to fight with 4 rounds in him I have to respect he knows that he should always fight and I am glad he did. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-04-2003, 11:21 PM	#16
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	I can only guess and assume, but I think the detective who responded to the call was plain clothed, and was cold-cocked right off the bat. Probably not wearing a security level holster. According to the reports, he was the first one to have his Glock taken from him. I'm guessing that he got the crap knocked out of him by the first punch and then had his weapon taken from him while stunned. The second gun removed by the perp was taken from an officer who had already been shot.......at least that's how the updated story goes at this point........I can only repeat what I have read and heard from other officers. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-05-2003, 08:37 AM	#17
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,757 Trader Rating: (0)	1*, this may sound hokey, but watch your back on how much info you pass. Some people get jumpy about some things. You never know who may be looking in. Call me parinoid. Were all concerned, but don't want to do anything that would get you called on the rug. BTW, I like that Canadian Ragweed on your signature block. Saw a video of 'em on CMTV. LMAO, I like the part where they distract the cop from hassleing the kids by lighting up the tires on the worn out Camaro. It's true, your always 17 in your home town. __________________

01-05-2003, 10:05 AM	#18
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	Roger that Jerry....... That song is their first commercial hit, and the first to be on CMT. They have been very big on the alternative country circuit around here for quite a while. It's good to see them finally getting paid! __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.