i have a 91/30 and its alright, but definitly not on the top of my list. i have bent the bolt and put a mount on it but took the scope off because it wasnt accurate enough and wouldnt hold a zero. whats so great about them besides the price? mines only kind of accurate, the sights always need adjusting and will never hold a zero, the rear sight isnt accurate(100 yards=100 yards, but after that the ranges dont match, like the setting for 200 yards wont hit a target at 200 yards and so on) so why does everyone rave about the mosin so much?
Its one of the best guns $80 can get you. Its not really the gun you get for super accuracy but is better for the economy minded shooter who wants a good reliable and fairly accurate gun for a good price
PS I have a feeling the thread is gonna get like over 1000 replies half of which will be made by texnmidwest LOL
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Other than rifle prices and character, powerful ammo at cheap prices (50 times easier to find than cheap .303), history, exotic foreign combat rifle.
You can easily blast a .20 bullet through both sides of a large oxygen cylinder, and easily buy lots from the Internet or at some gun shows. These Are the good old days, and experienced milsurp owners confirm to me that they don't last forever. This ammo seems to be the last of the good deals for a full-power cartridge.
The Finns still use their MNs to hunt large mammals etc, Alaskans use them to kill a large black bear with two shots, and Siberian Eskimos use them for their only supply of swimming or running meat.
Those seeking the rifles near Caddo Mills, TX might still be in luck (Ammo Depot, n.e. of Dallas, last June).
They're tougher than bootleather and unlike most plastic fantastic guns these days, they're built to last. My M44 is World War 2 vintage and some guys are shooting guns way older than that. That's staying power! I guarantee that these new guns made out of mostly polymer are going to crumble to dust long before they reach the age of these Mosins. I don't care what you say, plastic has a shelf life and is ravaged by direct sunlight and inclement weather that steel and wood laugh at. I'm not saying the Mosin is invincible or anything, just double tough. Tougher than it needed to be because in those bygone days, these weapons were subject to more mud and filth and got dropped and probably run over by vehicles, caught in explosions and every other God forsaken thing that happens in war, and some little Russian guy would pick it up, load it, and kill Nazi's with it. That's what's so great about the Mosin Nagant.
i have a 91/30 and its alright, but definitly not on the top of my list. i have bent the bolt and put a mount on it but took the scope off because it wasnt accurate enough and wouldnt hold a zero. whats so great about them besides the price? mines only kind of accurate, the sights always need adjusting and will never hold a zero, the rear sight isnt accurate(100 yards=100 yards, but after that the ranges dont match, like the setting for 200 yards wont hit a target at 200 yards and so on) so why does everyone rave about the mosin so much?
With the 7 MN's I have owned, including Camo Nataliaya, a sporterized M44, I have never had an accuracy problem. The cheapo e-bay mount and 2-7 NC Star LER scope hold zero just fine.
My 1937 91/30 can hit the dinger at 300 yards... consistantly. Can a $700 270 or 30-06 with a $400 scope do better? Yes... but not by much. And Tarja, the Finn M39 (now in a new home) is deadly accurate to 300 yards (~2" group at 100 yards) with iron sights.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the shooter is 90% of the accuracy. Give yourself time to learn the rifle, and you will be amazed at the results.
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Well, what kind of mount was on your rifle? What year and arsenal is your 91/30? Some mounts don't hold zero well. Ammo could be a source of innaccurate shooting as well. What kind of accuracy are you getting with yours? Most Mosins were sighted for 200 or 300 meters from the factory. It sounds like there could be other variables to inaccuracies. I wouldn't dismiss the rifle just yet. See if you can troubleshoot your problems? More solid mounts can be had, or else you can remove the rear sight and mount directly to the dovetail grooves.
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I just love holding something made in 1928 that is still going strong and looks like it's only five or ten years old. Mine will shoot as well as I can with open sites, I personally think if you scope one you're missing the point, and half the fun. I also like paying around five dollars a box instead of around twenty dollars a box.
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They are also easy for a man of modest means to collect and enjoy. Rifles full of history and mystery. Different arsenals, countries, models, styles...etc..loads of fun to collect and research.
Plus, look at who collects them? I defy you to find a forum that has more fun the the Mosin forum people!
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i have a 91/30 and its alright, but definitly not on the top of my list. i have bent the bolt and put a mount on it but took the scope off because it wasnt accurate enough and wouldnt hold a zero. whats so great about them besides the price? mines only kind of accurate, the sights always need adjusting and will never hold a zero, the rear sight isnt accurate(100 yards=100 yards, but after that the ranges dont match, like the setting for 200 yards wont hit a target at 200 yards and so on) so why does everyone rave about the mosin so much?
First things first it is set up to shoot in meters not yards you have to do some conversion math to get it right .
Second it is about the history for me think about where these rifles have been and what they have seen . If they could talk they could tell you storys of some of the most grewsome battles ever faught . They could tell you about their soldier huddeling in a fox hole at -10 degrees trying to avoid getting killed and freezing to death . They could tell you about being captured by finnland and being changed into a differant skin and taken apart and new parts added . They have a million storys in them you have to appreciate history to truely value any mil. surp. rifle . Other wise it's just another thunder stick .
I just love holding something made in 1928 that is still going strong and looks like it's only five or ten years old. Mine will shoot as well as I can with open sites, I personally think if you scope one you're missing the point, and half the fun. I also like paying around five dollars a box instead of around twenty dollars a box.
As with coins, stamps, used knives, it's thinking about the history of the item. Who has held it in their hands, used it for what, its place in history, and on and on.
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Could not agree more with these people.
I have a co-worker that is as enthusiastic about guns as I am. Unfortunatly he does not see the history behind these rifles and just thinks of them as some cheap old bolt gun. I on the other hand collect these like madman. I have to have every arsenal, and then every eyar in that arsenal. Lots of fun. And if you ask me whats my next rifle will be, you can bet its going to be another MN.
Personally I think Mausers are more accurate. But ya cant beat the Mosin snipers. The Finns sure got some accurate Mosins. Simo said he wouldnt even use a scope. Preferring to use the iron sights to do his snipeing. As with any rifle some are more inherently accurate than others. I have 4 M1 cabines. One shoots all over the paper. Two shoot decent. And one can shoot the dust off a flea at 25 to 50 yards.
Maybe your rilfe for whatever reason is one of the "not so accurate" ones.
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Personally I think Mausers are more accurate. But ya cant beat the Mosin snipers. The Finns sure got some accurate Mosins. Simo said he wouldnt even use a scope. Preferring to use the iron sights to do his snipeing. As with any rifle some are more inherently accurate than others. I have 4 M1 cabines. One shoots all over the paper. Two shoot decent. And one can shoot the dust off a flea at 25 to 50 yards.
Maybe your rilfe for whatever reason is one of the "not so accurate" ones.
could be. my reasoning is that by the time i spend the money trying to find an accurate one, i could have bought that marlin xs7 in 243 that i want. mosins are extremely rugged but for precision shooting, you cant beat a lightweight sporter rifle. i like the way they look better, i like haveing the bolt handle at the back of the bolt instead of halfway up like the mosin, i like being able to scope it cheaply without buying $100 mounts like for the mosins...maybe im just not a surplus guy lol
could be. my reasoning is that by the time i spend the money trying to find an accurate one, i could have bought that marlin xs7 in 243 that i want. mosins are extremely rugged but for precision shooting, you cant beat a lightweight sporter rifle. i like the way they look better, i like haveing the bolt handle at the back of the bolt instead of halfway up like the mosin, i like being able to scope it cheaply without buying $100 mounts like for the mosins...maybe im just not a surplus guy lol
I just shoot my surplus rifles like they come, and enjoy them for what they are. I don't want a fancy-schmancy high tech wonder rifle that does all the shooting for me. I swear, it won't be long until they invent a rifle that
tells you when you're on target and when to pull the trigger, and even asks you if you want it to pull the trigger for you. It will probably even have cup-holders. I'm just not into that.
I just shoot my surplus rifles like they come, and enjoy them for what they are. I don't want a fancy-schmancy high tech wonder rifle that does all the shooting for me. I swear, it won't be long until they invent a rifle that
tells you when you're on target and when to pull the trigger, and even asks you if you want it to pull the trigger for you. It will probably even have cup-holders. I'm just not into that.
As many have pointed out, cheap to buy, cheap to shoot, and you just can't beat holding and shooting a part of history. I was at the range the other day with my '45 Izzy. I have the leepers off set .22 mount and the cheap Ncstar LER scope on it. The guy next to me offered to trade me even up for a Marlin 30-30 lever with a scope. I declined. I like my beat up old war horse.
