[Heavy shooter]

I'd bet money it's a mountain lion. We have them in Northwestern Minnesota now thanks to the Minnesota DNR trading Colorado some wolves for them. They guy next door to my hunting shack lost a full sized horse to one. It jumped a 12' electric fence, killed it and took off. He has it on security tape, And the DNR still denies it was a mountain lion.

They go nicely with our overpopulation of timber wolves. I saw 5 different wolves last deer season and for the first time ever no coyotes.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by lynxpilot

I'll have my night scope in about 2 weeks. Lemme know if you want a hand.

I want your night scope....
Where abouts in Ava are you ?

We own a house up there.

Randy

[Cyrano]

If it wasn't for the fact this is taking place in Missouri, I'd wonder if you weren't dealing with a Jersey Devil from the Pine Barrens.

[PAPA G]

trouble with wild dogs is those bastages that tire of Rover and dump them in the country, instead of doing the right thing.

i wish you luck on eradicating the threat, its only a matter of time be fore some one or some ones kids get tore up.

[deserthobbies]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Randy we have several members that live around you or not to far that probable would lend you a hand if you ever wish to reduce those pac's of dogs...A.H

Randy im 5 miles from the arkansas border , just north of piggot, in the bootheel of Missouri where are you at. Id be happy to help you out.

[jason1965]

I would definitely go with a game camera,they work great and are not that expensive.

Here's the one I use to keep track of the coyotes behind my house:

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/....aspx?a=450141

[lynxpilot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by RJMAcres

I want your night scope.... Randy

yeah. i do too.

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

If it wasn't for the fact this is taking place in Missouri, I'd wonder if you weren't dealing with a Jersey Devil from the Pine Barrens.

Could be Bigfoot.

[Dakoma]

Fish and game department turned some mountain Lions loose around the small town where I used to live in Oklahoma they had tracking collars on them ,they came into town at night and killed dogs,anyway one morning my niece with 3 young kids had one come up to the screen door and stick its nose on it .The ranchers around there were told they would be fined if they shot one of them,the other was black and they said they could shoot it(it had a tracking collar also)about 3 days later the ranchers were having coffee and my Mom heard them laughing and saying they are dead.Deer population was high and instead of extending the season or allowing more to be shot they brought in mountain Lions and turned them loose.I just found out that they brought in a bunch of western Diamondback rattle snakes and turned them loose here in Tennessee,why do they do stupid crap like that?If there is a tracking collar on what you shoot cut it off and tie a big rock on it and sink it in some deep water,burry the critter or skin it out and burry it but dont let the fish and game department catch you with it.

[CrazyIvan]

I've been thinking about this, and really don't know.

We have a few problems here in the US. Boar, Wild Dogs. Well, either of those would make a lot of noise if they attacked.

Bears? It could be a rogue bear, but I am thrown off by the electric fence. Not many animals will repeatedly return to a place that offers such resistance. I mean, getting through the fence, fighting the family dogs, fighting the llama, having to get back out of the fence.... Bears are lazy and will go for easy pickings. This doesn't sound like a bear.

Cougar? Again, the fence is throwing me off. Although, how tall is your fence? A young adult cougar may be able to clear the fence if it jumped from a tree or even the ground. Perhaps the llama attacked it, and got the head trauma, but scared the cougar away at the same time. Housecats act a lot like wild cats. If you've ever seen a dog go up & try to attack a cat, the cat will swat at it a few times and then the cat will most often run away, after making one or a few hits with its claws. I suppose a cougar could escape by jumping from the roof of the building or another tree or from the ground even. But, I don't know how the nose could be broken.

Other predators? Hmm, Grizzly maybe, even though there really aren't reports of Grizzly being in MO for many years. But, a Grizzly could have the power to break the llamas nose. Only problem is I think you'd have damage to your fence or buildings where the animals stay.

Also, most predators will go for this kind of thing at night, or dusk/dawn. Not in broad daylight.

Beyond that, I have no idea. I am a believer in Bigfoot, and would take a venture to say it could be, it just COULD be. But, who knows.

Since you have an electric fence, I am sure you have the ability to run some wires out there. Perhaps buy a simple outdoor security camera and hook it up to a computer or VCR and hit the record button. Have you got any lights or something in that area for night time? If not, you could get an IR night-vision Security Camera.

I am not a big fan of game-cameras, because the camera will only go of if something steps directly in front of the sensors. With a security camera, you can see a lot more, and capture the motion. And rather than guess what direction the animal is coming from, you can point the security camera at your animals, which would normally set off a game-camera because they are moving around all the time.

Anyhow, I wish I lived close to ya, I'd love to come take a look, and help you figure it out.

Keep us up to date.

[GlockMeister]

Seeing as how it was already suggested, I'll only second the suggestion. Get and set up a couple cameras? The one linked in post # 26 above should work just fine...And if not already, worth getting the membership.

And, I took a quick glance and checked your profile and didn't see anything. If I might ask, where are you from or close to if you prefer not giving exact?

And, what animals are common around that area?

And this baseball size chunk it took out of one of your dogs; Any teeth or tooth marks that you might have recognized? Or, what about the or a bite pattern? Anything at all in regards to either one of these?

You have wolf in your area? They're normally not afraid of dogs or are they? I ask because I have no clue. lol

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Seeing as how it was already suggested, I'll only second the suggestion. Get and set up a couple cameras? And, I took a quick glance and checked your profile and didn't see anything. If I might ask, where are you from or close to if you prefer not giving exact? And, what animals are common around that area? And this baseball size chunk it took out of one of your dogs; Any teeth or tooth marks that you might have recognized? Or, what about the or a bite pattern? Anything at all in regards to either one of these? You have wolf in your area? They're normally not afraid of dogs or are they? I ask because I have no clue. lol

I only noticed where he lives because of a comment in his profile. In Missouri, Ozark County, about what was it? 15 miles north of Arkansas? That puts him just north of Gainsville a few miles.

Wolves certainly have been known to hunt in packs as well as alone. But, again, It conflicts with the electric fence, and how the LLama had its nose broken. A wolf really wouldn't have the strength or aptitude to do that, unless it chomped down with it's teeth around the end of the nose.

PS... RMJ, let me know if bringing up the LLama is at all painfull, I don't know if this was a pet or just one of your farm animals...I don't want to be insensitive.


Here's a map of about where he is located. I'd say within a 5-mile radius of that point:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,0.362206&z=12

[GlockMeister]

Wonder if it's a human problem? You know, like or similar maybe to the ones that were happening in Florida; that were killing the horses?

Just throwing it out there. But it sure would explain BOTH the electric fence and broken nose on the Llama? Wouldn't it?

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Wonder if it's a human problem? You know, like or similar maybe to the ones that were happening in Florida; that were killing the horses? Just throwing it out there. But it sure would explain BOTH the electric fence and broken nose on the Llama? Wouldn't it?

Hmm, a pointed garden hoe to the dog could take a chunk out about that size. And, a landscaping rake to the llama's face and nose maybe?

I guess it's possible.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

I've been thinking about this, and really don't know. We have a few problems here in the US. Boar, Wild Dogs. Well, either of those would make a lot of noise if they attacked. Bears? It could be a rogue bear, but I am thrown off by the electric fence. Not many animals will repeatedly return to a place that offers such resistance. I mean, getting through the fence, fighting the family dogs, fighting the llama, having to get back out of the fence.... Bears are lazy and will go for easy pickings. This doesn't sound like a bear. Cougar? Again, the fence is throwing me off. Although, how tall is your fence? A young adult cougar may be able to clear the fence if it jumped from a tree or even the ground. Perhaps the llama attacked it, and got the head trauma, but scared the cougar away at the same time. Housecats act a lot like wild cats. If you've ever seen a dog go up & try to attack a cat, the cat will swat at it a few times and then the cat will most often run away, after making one or a few hits with its claws. I suppose a cougar could escape by jumping from the roof of the building or another tree or from the ground even. But, I don't know how the nose could be broken. Other predators? Hmm, Grizzly maybe, even though there really aren't reports of Grizzly being in MO for many years. But, a Grizzly could have the power to break the llamas nose. Only problem is I think you'd have damage to your fence or buildings where the animals stay. Also, most predators will go for this kind of thing at night, or dusk/dawn. Not in broad daylight. Beyond that, I have no idea. I am a believer in Bigfoot, and would take a venture to say it could be, it just COULD be. But, who knows. Since you have an electric fence, I am sure you have the ability to run some wires out there. Perhaps buy a simple outdoor security camera and hook it up to a computer or VCR and hit the record button. Have you got any lights or something in that area for night time? If not, you could get an IR night-vision Security Camera. I am not a big fan of game-cameras, because the camera will only go of if something steps directly in front of the sensors. With a security camera, you can see a lot more, and capture the motion. And rather than guess what direction the animal is coming from, you can point the security camera at your animals, which would normally set off a game-camera because they are moving around all the time. Anyhow, I wish I lived close to ya, I'd love to come take a look, and help you figure it out. Keep us up to date.

Now you know why I'm so confused.
You summed it up nicely. None of it makes sense at all.
We've tried security cameras out in that area before. Tried wireless
ones. Distance was to far to send the signal. There are some new ones
out that transmit the video back using the power lines. Great except they
don't make any with night vision.

Back to bigfoot. Years past there were reports of bigfoot type creature
in the area. I can't prove bigfoot exists and I can't disprove it either.
Therefore it exists or doesn't. I prefer to think it does as there have been
writings and drawings about it for way to many years and different parts
of the country and world.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Wonder if it's a human problem? You know, like or similar maybe to the ones that were happening in Florida; that were killing the horses? Just throwing it out there. But it sure would explain BOTH the electric fence and broken nose on the Llama? Wouldn't it?

I've pondered that exact same thing for awhile.
Pretty sure my dogs would go for a stranger in the pasture.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by PAPA G

trouble with wild dogs is those bastages that tire of Rover and dump them in the country, instead of doing the right thing. i wish you luck on eradicating the threat, its only a matter of time be fore some one or some ones kids get tore up.

I agree totally. If I catch someone dumping dogs around here they
are going to pay for it. Trust me on that. The dumping problem was
a lot worse when we first moved it and I let it be known in the area
what would happen if I caught someone doing it. Word got around fast.

It helps when most people think you're nuts or insane.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

[QUOTE=CrazyIvan;993514]I only noticed where he lives because of a comment in his profile. In Missouri, Ozark County, about what was it? 15 miles north of Arkansas? That puts him just north of Gainsville a few miles.

Wolves certainly have been known to hunt in packs as well as alone. But, again, It conflicts with the electric fence, and how the LLama had its nose broken. A wolf really wouldn't have the strength or aptitude to do that, unless it chomped down with it's teeth around the end of the nose.

PS... RMJ, let me know if bringing up the LLama is at all painfull, I don't know if this was a pet or just one of your farm animals...I don't want to be insensitive.


Here's a map of about where he is located. I'd say within a 5-mile radius of that point:

Yeah, the llama was more pet then livestock but I'm ok discussing it.
Saw her being born and had her for 10 years. And she was pregnant
when she was killed.

We're about 15 miles north of Gainesville by road. About 5 miles north
as the crow flies.

State wildlife says no wolves in the area. The good old boys and long
time residents in the area will tell you different. I've seen red wolves
in the area. Saw 1 trying to chase down a deer.

Randy

[Windwalker]

Jerry, you would have to bring up the chupacabra.

[jerry]

LOL, well, Big foot got tossed out there. Why not?