[RJMAcres]

Now I'm going to compound this problem and make some of you think I
am nuts.

I've known an animal commuicator for a few years and she likes talking
with 1 of our older dogs. So she got in touch with the dogs and asked
what they knew about the attack.

They described the attacker as a big dog like creature with a bad smell.
They also said the llama rushed the animal in order to protect her small
livestock and friends. The dogs also told her to check the trees in the
pasture as the creature had left marks on the trees.

So we went out and checked trees. Found scratch marks on 4 trees
about 5 or so feet up. 2 of those trees are right where we found the
llama.

Also, the communicator didn't know we had smaller livestock (goats) at
all.

I've worked with this lady for a few years and she has yet to be wrong.
She's interpretting the big dog like creature as bear not a mountain lion
as our dogs all know what a big cat is. She's been trying to communicate
with the creature but that hasn't been going well. She can only say it
has a bad temper, male, likes it here and isn't going to leave the area.

I happened to be out there when the lady started the communicating.
The older dog went into kind of trance for a minute or so and then was
as happy as a dog can be after. The lady wasn't even here.

The dogs also didn't know how the creature got into the pasture.

Randy

[White Rook]

I'm sure there are lot of farmers out there that wouldn't want her talking to their sheep....

[Rogue Tom]

LMAO about the sheep comment. This is a great mystery so far... could be one for the X-files.

I hope they get cameras soon. I also loke the dirt on the ground idea to capture fresh tracks. RT

[Da Mc]

Whatever it is, I would carry a .44mag pisol. Use a shoulder holster as it is under your arm and protected. It is also out of the way while you are working in the field. Any large predator will fall to the mighty maggie.

[jerry]

Quote:       Originally Posted by RJMAcres

They described the attacker as a big dog like creature with a bad smell.

YouTube - Chupacabra in Cuero, Texas. 8/8/08

YouTube - Chupacabra in Cuero, Texas. 8/8/08

[jerry]

Quote:       Originally Posted by White Rook

I'm sure there are lot of farmers out there that wouldn't want her talking to their sheep....

White Rock, that's Baaaad

[CrazyIvan]

I don't know if you have a budget for this kind of thing or not, but I did a little searching for ya and came up wit this.

I'm not sure how far out it is, but here is 1000 feet of RG59 cable for a fair price:

http://www.security-cameras-cctv.com...ool-p-461.html

All you would need to do is add the connectors at each end, and could put a few end to end if you need more distance.

And here are some different cameras that may be usefull:


http://www.amazon.com/Q-See-QSC48030-Resolution-Weatherproof-Camera/dp/B000R4HDTU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1253028306&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/SVAT-CV65-Outdoor-Nightvision-Security/dp/B000GISJOU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1253027844&sr=8-6

[RJMAcres]

ok, who is up in Douglas or Wright counties and wants to help a sheep farmer out
up there. He's having the same problem only worse and is sure it's a big cat.

I can sure put you in contact with him. His farm is surrounded by thousands of acres
of forest.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

I don't know if you have a budget for this kind of thing or not, but I did a little searching for ya and came up wit this. I'm not sure how far out it is, but here is 1000 feet of RG59 cable for a fair price: SVWRG59VT - 1000 ft RG59 Coaxial Cable Spool All you would need to do is add the connectors at each end, and could put a few end to end if you need more distance. And here are some different cameras that may be usefull: Amazon.com: Q-See QSC48030 High Resolution Weatherproof CCD Camera w/80ft of Night Vision (Color): Electronics Amazon.com: SVAT CV65 Outdoor Nightvision Security Camera (Color): Electronics

I've looked at and tried those kinds of cameras.
The nightvision is very limited distance. Less then 100 feet.
I need to be able to see hundreds of feet, probably more.

Randy

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by RJMAcres

I've looked at and tried those kinds of cameras. The nightvision is very limited distance. Less then 100 feet. I need to be able to see hundreds of feet, probably more. Randy

Those can get pricey...heh:

Long Range Night Vision Camera Sees Over 200 Feet In The Dark

LONG RANGE - High Resolution - Zoom - 200' Night Vision - Best Performer :: Night Vision - IR :: Cameras :: EZWatch Pro - Video Surveillance Camera Store

EDIT: Hmm, I can't tell for sure, but these look like they might be the same camera from different vendors.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Those can get pricey...heh: Long Range Night Vision Camera Sees Over 200 Feet In The Dark LONG RANGE - High Resolution - Zoom - 200' Night Vision - Best Performer :: Night Vision - IR :: Cameras :: EZWatch Pro - Video Surveillance Camera Store EDIT: Hmm, I can't tell for sure, but these look like they might be the same camera from different vendors.

Thanks. I'm going to look into those.
Considering the llama that was killed was kind of top of the line show
animal, pregnant and real expensive. I'm not going to skimp or cry over
a couple hundred dollar cameras.
Same for buying a new gun or 2 to take care of the problem.

Randy

[Windwalker]

Randy, please be careful and don't go into the pastures unarmed. If is is a rogue bear he can run faster than you and is very hard to kill with a pistol, even a .44 Mag. Listen to the woman who speaks to animals. You, your family, nor your animals will be safe until it is killed. Personally I would consider the 30-30 to be undergunned although many bears have been taken with them. If you can handle the recoil I would pick a 45-70 as a mininum.

[ArkansasHunter]

I've been thinking about this thread and since you said the nose on the Llama was broke, that could of happened from a Bear slap along with the gash's on the Llamas head.
Your Game and Fish commishion "should" try to trap this critter. Call them back before someone or another one of your live stock gets hurt or killed.

[PAPA G]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

If it wasn't for the fact this is taking place in Missouri, I'd wonder if you weren't dealing with a Jersey Devil from the Pine Barrens.

nah...the Jersey Devil is to urbane for ruralness. in my youth i tromped all over the Barrens looking for the Devil, found squats

[Heavy shooter]

If it is a bear, It will be looking to put on weight between now and winter. Why not go around to all near by bakeries and gas stations and buy all there day old pastries dig a pit and bait him to trail cam, or better yet into a .300 win mag round.

Seriously, Though I wouldn't bother buying a .45/70 for this purpose. Just buy a .300 win or 7mm Rem. More universal and useful than a .45/70. If you happen to see this thing it is likely to be a long way away and .45/70 isn't exactly know as a flat shooter. Carry the .44 Mag as a backup as in really close it will be plenty effective for just about anything.

If it were me, I already own a 7mm and have taken 6 bears with it. I run a fairly hot load with 175 grain Nosler partition that runs around 2900 fps and it hits like a freight trail. It is also my elk load and pretty much everything I've ever shot with didn't go more than 15 yrds, and most went down right away. I don't own a .44 mag, But I would finally have a use for Desert Eagle .50AE, other than to burn through money.

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Heavy shooter

If it is a bear, It will be looking to put on weight between now and winter. Why not go around to all near by bakeries and gas stations and buy all there day old pastries dig a pit and bait him to trail cam, or better yet into a .300 win mag round. Seriously, Though I wouldn't bother buying a .45/70 for this purpose. Just buy a .300 win or 7mm Rem. More universal and useful than a .45/70. If you happen to see this thing it is likely to be a long way away and .45/70 isn't exactly know as a flat shooter. Carry the .44 Mag as a backup as in really close it will be plenty effective for just about anything. If it were me, I already own a 7mm and have taken 6 bears with it. I run a fairly hot load with 175 grain Nosler partition that runs around 2900 fps and it hits like a freight trail. It is also my elk load and pretty much everything I've ever shot with didn't go more than 15 yrds, and most went down right away. I don't own a .44 mag, But I would finally have a use for Desert Eagle .50AE, other than to burn through money.

Emptying a 40-round Mag of .223 from an AR-15 into a big bear would probably down it too if ya got the 8 seconds with semi-auto to do so. Use some tracer rounds...

Naw, but a Marlin .45/70 would be good.

[White Rook]

I wouldn't try to take him down with a "Supremely Viable" 10/22 or a .410 pump with slugs. They are OK for killing Zombies but I don't think even JMcDonald the Famous Gun Smith and Adventure Hunter would use them on a Bear.

[jerry]

Quote:       Originally Posted by PAPA G

nah...the Jersey Devil is to urbane for ruralness. in my youth i tromped all over the Barrens looking for the Devil, found squats

Thought you were the Jersey Devil Pappa G

[PAPA G]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jerry

Thought you were the Jersey Devil Pappa G

i used to be, now i be a kain'tuk hillbilly

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Windwalker

Randy, please be careful and don't go into the pastures unarmed. If is is a rogue bear he can run faster than you and is very hard to kill with a pistol, even a .44 Mag. Listen to the woman who speaks to animals. You, your family, nor your animals will be safe until it is killed. Personally I would consider the 30-30 to be undergunned although many bears have been taken with them. If you can handle the recoil I would pick a 45-70 as a mininum.

I'm one of those real skinny guys with no meat on my body.
My shoulders don't handle recoil real well. No problem with large
caliber handguns, just large rifles and 12g shotguns.

I talked to another farmer/rancher north of us earlier. He's having the
same problem and same wounds on his animals. He problem is a big old
cat. This guy is losing a whole lot of sheep to it.

The big cat makes more sense to me as bears just don't screw with
electric fences and cats just hop over or climb trees over. And my dogs
don't screw with big cats. They head the other way shaking the entire
time.

Neighbor had a run in not that long ago with a big cat that got into
his chicken house. Cat was wounded and left. I should have went
tracking right then and there and would have if it hadn't been starting
to get dark. Didn't want to run into a wounded cat in the dark. Mama
raised a few idiot kids but I wasn't one of them.

So, I'm heading out again shortly with binocs and rifle and start scanning
trees from a good safe distance.

I'm actually starting to get lots of feed back from some local gov folks
and other resources on this. Right now, everyones starting to agree
on the cat and they think it's either a real young cat trying to establish
his own territory or a very old cat who is no longer able to hunt well but
can still kill.

The black bears I have seen in the area were in the 200 pound range.
Not real big but still a bear.

Randy