[GlockMeister]

That bite mark is very similar or looks a lot like a human bite mark or pattern? Does to me anyhow.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ALR

Sorry to sound that way, I do believe you, seeing the chunk out. A friend lost a mini horse in Elsberry MO to a large cat that CA denies is around. Tore it up bad, claw marks all over, another got scratched before dogs ran off with a ruckus. It is disheartening to have this beast around. Do cats retreat to same area to eat? I didnt think so, but I dont know. Im thinking bear except for fence height. Would like to help, but all way across state unless gunnut2u wants to go. Good luck with hunt and prod those local members to help. All in all I think they can help to get it done. The sooner the better as it will screw up deer season for sure. Does deer population seem to be staying away? Good luck.......Tony

Not a problem.
Now that you mention it, I haven't see a deer around our place for
awhile.
Got a couple of bud's coming from out of state on another item but they
are planning a couple extra days to go cat hunting.
I'm meeting up with some of the local ranchers tomorrow to discuss this.

Randy

[99z28monster]

very odd bite mark, kinda rounded and looks like a fairly clean cut. Hope you get what ever is causing all this ruckus be it an animal, meth head or some dumb teens.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 99z28monster

very odd bite mark, kinda rounded and looks like a fairly clean cut. Hope you get what ever is causing all this ruckus be it an animal, meth head or some dumb teens.

Very round and very clean cut.
Picture doesn't show it but you can see either teeth marks
or claw marks also.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 99z28monster

very odd bite mark, kinda rounded and looks like a fairly clean cut. Hope you get what ever is causing all this ruckus be it an animal, meth head or some dumb teens.

Don't think it's a 2 legged predator.
But it is all rather confusing, isn't it.

The wounds on the llama were much worse.
They were long, deep gouges.
But those wounds have been pretty much identified to a big cat.
Lots of folks at the state & local wildlife have researching their butts
off trying to get a handle on it. It's confused some of their best
experts.

Randy

[99z28monster]

Quote:       Originally Posted by RJMAcres

Don't think it's a 2 legged predator. But it is all rather confusing, isn't it. The wounds on the llama were much worse. They were long, deep gouges. But those wounds have been pretty much identified to a big cat. Lots of folks at the state & local wildlife have researching their butts off trying to get a handle on it. It's confused some of their best experts. Randy

yes it is very interesting indeed, perhaps the Department of conservation in MO will finally admit that they do have big cats running around. Tried denying bears years ago that didn't work either.

[White Crow]

RJMAcres: You mentioned that the dogs and the llamas were protection for goats. Have you lost goats as well? If so, were the goats taken off the property?

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by White Crow

RJMAcres: You mentioned that the dogs and the llamas were protection for goats. Have you lost goats as well? If so, were the goats taken off the property?

Had a goat disappear a month or so before this all started.
Thought it had just gotten out and wandered off. Goats will do that
sometimes. Evidently this 1 hadn't as I found the bones while looking
for tracks the other day. To bad, it was a real good male stud goat.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 99z28monster

yes it is very interesting indeed, perhaps the Department of conservation in MO will finally admit that they do have big cats running around. Tried denying bears years ago that didn't work either.

Actually the 1 did admit and gave me the offical ok to shoot big cats.

Randy

[Whootsinator]

Thought about trying to build those IR LED arrays I suggested and pairing them with some IR cameras? You'll be able to see football fields away if you just build your lights big enough!

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Thought about trying to build those IR LED arrays I suggested and pairing them with some IR cameras? You'll be able to see football fields away if you just build your lights big enough!

Those lights are a fine idea. My hands don't always work the best to
try and solder but I have some friends who might like to give them a shot.

Randy

[Lobo0311]

Being that you said the animal "communicator" said she was told it looked like a "big black dog", maybe it is a bear after all bears are cousins to canines. Just a thought, I'm with the rest I wish I lived closer, after seeing what my Mosin M44 doe to a watermelon I'd LOVE to see what it does to whatever is causing you all this grief. Hope you find something out soon.

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lobo0311

Being that you said the animal "communicator" said she was told it looked like a "big black dog", maybe it is a bear after all bears are cousins to canines. Just a thought, I'm with the rest I wish I lived closer, after seeing what my Mosin M44 doe to a watermelon I'd LOVE to see what it does to whatever is causing you all this grief. Hope you find something out soon.

Yep, communicator still says big black dog creature.
But we can't figure out how a bear could get into the pasture and out.
They tend to respect hot electric fences.

Now I have seen a really really dark mountain lion around our place but
that was 3 or so years ago. Others have reported seeing it also. They
supposedly don't exist here.

It's just confusing.
Don't matter what it is, I see it, I shoot it. Period.

Randy

[Whootsinator]

Sorry, kind of offtopic, but, you said your animal-to-human translator didn't need to actually be near the animal. How far exactly can she be? Think she could make a long-distance connection over 600 miles?

[LarryO1970]

This is a very intriguing thread. Since the 'intruding' animal is not going under or through the fence, it has to be going over it. It needs to be nimble enough to jump over it as well ... which (in my opinion) completely omits a bear from the variables, just as others are stating. If your dogs will go after everything else sans a big cat ... and they are scared of this, my guess is that is exactly what it is.

Once a track or pattern can be developed, hunt it, just don't become the hunted. I'd suggest a group of at least three, no more than five ... and you all stay together. One or even two is an easy attack for a cat since they are so fast ... but will seldom go after any larger of a group, even when it is attempting to establish 'ownership' of a given area.

IF you are going to hunt this, let us know ... as I am sure a few of us would come to help.

Larry O

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Sorry, kind of offtopic, but, you said your animal-to-human translator didn't need to actually be near the animal. How far exactly can she be? Think she could make a long-distance connection over 600 miles?

Yep, she can do it over a long long ways.
She tried to explain it to me and a few others how she does it but
it was confusing.

Trust me, I know everybody doesn't believe in this kind of thing.
I didn't until I saw it happen, saw my dog react and got the response
back from the communicator.

Randy

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

This is a very intriguing thread. Since the 'intruding' animal is not going under or through the fence, it has to be going over it. It needs to be nimble enough to jump over it as well ... which (in my opinion) completely omits a bear from the variables, just as others are stating. If your dogs will go after everything else sans a big cat ... and they are scared of this, my guess is that is exactly what it is. Once a track or pattern can be developed, hunt it, just don't become the hunted. I'd suggest a group of at least three, no more than five ... and you all stay together. One or even two is an easy attack for a cat since they are so fast ... but will seldom go after any larger of a group, even when it is attempting to establish 'ownership' of a given area. IF you are going to hunt this, let us know ... as I am sure a few of us would come to help. Larry O

I was out looking for tracks earlier today. Ground is now moist.
Found deer, dog or coyote, maybe a bobcat, coon and that was it.
Did find some spots where something had walked on the wet leaves
and you could see the leaves had been disturbed but I couldn't pick
up any tracks from it. I kept having the feeling that I was being
watched but hey, I'm spooked by this anyways.

I talked to the wildlife boys earlier today. Big cats don't leave many
tracks except in the snow. To bad. They are still thinking on how
they could try and trap it. Not sure how that would work but I
like that trap idea just fine. Think that they would catch me a whole
bunch of those wild dogs.

Did hear a neighbor cut loose with 4 shots all pretty close together
earlier. Hope he got it.

Randy

[Whootsinator]

I'd get in touch with that neighbor.

Big cats have even bigger paws, and spread out their weight.

I'm willing to bet that your feelings of being watched were purely in your head, but you can never be too careful...

[RJMAcres]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Whootsinator

I'd get in touch with that neighbor. Big cats have even bigger paws, and spread out their weight. I'm willing to bet that your feelings of being watched were purely in your head, but you can never be too careful...

I will be checking with the neighbor. Not the friendliest folks and
tend to stick to their own.

I have no doubt the feeling of being watched was all in my head.
It's kind of empty in there these days.

Randy

[White Crow]

Randy: I may have missed that info in the first part of this thread, but a couple of more questions if its OK.
I don't understand how you determined that the four dogs are scared of cougars. That is very puzzling. That breed of dog usually, especially if part of a group, do not mind taking on big cats. Are you sure it is cats they are afraid of??

About the goat that was carried off; did you find the body soon enough to tell if it had been torn open and the heart and liver taken?

Have you heard unusual noises from the woods in the very early part of the night, or during the very early morning hours?

Regards