Old 09-19-2009, 01:30 PM   #1
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Congressmen and senators are not writing bills

That's right. Your elected officials are not writing bills anymore. They are sub contracting for a private organization to draft government bills that become law!

The Apollo Alliance wrote the Obama stimulus bill. Our elected officials are supposed to write the bills with input from the people. Now our elected officials are letting a private group write laws for America!

Adrienne's Catholic Corner: Glenn Beck and the Apollo Alliance

http://washingtonindependent.com/569...nn-beck-effect
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:32 PM   #2
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It is an abandonment of the Constitution

as the purpose of the Senate and House consists of writing, introducing, debating, modifying, and voting on legislation.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:48 PM   #3
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as the purpose of the Senate and House consists of writing, introducing, debating, modifying, and voting on legislation.
Purposeful accomplishment of those most honorable tasks requires intelligence, skill, and ....... honor; none of the prerequisites for being a current sitting member of our government's "representatives" and "leaders" in this day and age.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:54 PM   #4
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Hmmm...

...just to name a couple, groups like the council on foreign relations, trilaterals and other such groups have been think tanks and ghost writers for some time.

Most recently, hawks of the bush/cheney regime, which moved right in and set up offices, were notorious for such...

...and we can trace nasty activities that come from their keystrokes, like PNAC and other such writings,...

...and thereby came a progressive reduction/constriction of our American freedoms and rights, and gradual enslavement of our citizenry.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:56 PM   #5
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Purposeful accomplishment of those most honorable tasks requires intelligence, skill, and ....... honor; none of the prerequisites for being a current sitting member of our government's "representatives" and "leaders" in this day and age.
Honor, like common sense...

...seems to be on an indefinite hiatus.

The power of trust, honor, that used to be vested in our public servants...

...has been severely abused and sorely missed for some time.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:13 PM   #6
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I remember being made to feel uncomfortable by a statement made by someone in the NRA's senior leadership back in 2000, when Curious George was running for President, that if Dubya won the NRA would be setting up office in the White House for the next eight years. While it's true that no anti-gun laws were passed during Bush's term of office ( leaving aside his ban on importing certain types of AKs), the NRA certainly wasn't setting federal policy on guns; and so far as I know did not ghost-write gun bills for Congress.

Drawing on outside sources for drafts of bills has been done before. The best example I recall is the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968. The bastards who wrote that bill sent over to the National Archives for translated copies of the Nazi German Gun Control Act of 1935. If you compare the Nazi law to GCA 68, you'll find paragraphs lifted verbatim from the former and transplanted to the latter. I'm also sure that elected officials who are in the pockets of groups like Big Pharma and Big Oil also have been given 'advice' on the wording of bills affecting those industries by industry leaders for years. Remember, "an honest politician is one who stays bought."

But it's only in recent years that the ghost-writing of bills by special interest groups has become as blatant as it is today. It's a practice that has to be stopped. We don't elect people to office to have them be the puppets of special interest groups. I feel a good start would be to pass a law banning lobbyists from within a 20 mile radius of the Capitol and programming the White House and Capitol switchboards to reject the calls of any registered lobbyist or any firm they work for. It wouldn't stop them, but it might slow them down and give the People a chance to have their voices heard.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:13 PM   #7
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Ghost writers! Can't trust anyone to do their own work these days. Next thing they'll send the work to India like the rest of the country.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:18 PM   #8
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I think I'll hire a ghost writer to make my posts for me.

That way I don't have to get off the couch at all...
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:48 PM   #9
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These people come from all those "think tanks" scattered around the country. The American Congress doesn't write commie laws to well, but they sure take the cash and vote for them. They are no better than a hooker.
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I remember being made to feel uncomfortable by a statement made by someone in the NRA's senior leadership back in 2000, when Curious George was running for President, that if Dubya won the NRA would be setting up office in the White House for the next eight years. While it's true that no anti-gun laws were passed during Bush's term of office ( leaving aside his ban on importing certain types of AKs), the NRA certainly wasn't setting federal policy on guns; and so far as I know did not ghost-write gun bills for Congress.

Drawing on outside sources for drafts of bills has been done before. The best example I recall is the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968. The bastards who wrote that bill sent over to the National Archives for translated copies of the Nazi German Gun Control Act of 1935. If you compare the Nazi law to GCA 68, you'll find paragraphs lifted verbatim from the former and transplanted to the latter. I'm also sure that elected officials who are in the pockets of groups like Big Pharma and Big Oil also have been given 'advice' on the wording of bills affecting those industries by industry leaders for years. Remember, "an honest politician is one who stays bought."

But it's only in recent years that the ghost-writing of bills by special interest groups has become as blatant as it is today. It's a practice that has to be stopped. We don't elect people to office to have them be the puppets of special interest groups. I feel a good start would be to pass a law banning lobbyists from within a 20 mile radius of the Capitol and programming the White House and Capitol switchboards to reject the calls of any registered lobbyist or any firm they work for. It wouldn't stop them, but it might slow them down and give the People a chance to have their voices heard.
Please correct me if I am wrong, Did Obama say that there will be NO LOBBYISTS allowed near the White House if he was elected?

What happened? He must have reserved a room for every big lobbyist group out there.
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I believe a serious inquiry into the actions of congressmen and Senators over the past several decades will reveal that most, if not all bills, were put on paper by staffers, not the elected official. They're too busy running around looking important in all the important places.

So what has been discovered is just what has been going on with so many other jobs in this country -- the work has been outsourced. Hopefully the place to which it has been relocated is onshore instead of being in China or somewhere.
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If our elected officials are not writing bills then what is their purpose? Do we even need them? I don't know about anyone else's officials, however, when I contact them on any issue all I receive from them is a form letter. How out of touch is that?
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Please correct me if I am wrong, Did Obama say that there will be NO LOBBYISTS allowed near the White House if he was elected?

What happened? He must have reserved a room for every big lobbyist group out there.
And if you believe that, there's this bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell you for the scrap metal price. Obama may not call some of his visitors lobbyists, but I'd bet if you ran them to ground that's just what they are. They may be represntatives of groups urging the Empty Suit to support Israel and not the Palestinians who want back the territory their ancestors cravenly ran away from sixty years ago. They may be the CEOs of big banks and big brokerages. They may be the CEOs of big companies. But de facto, they are lobbyists.

You can't trust Obama about ANYTHING. If he says it's raining, go to the window and look for yourself. If he says it's 12:00 noon, look at your watch. And if he says there will be no new taxes, hold onto your wallet. That is how little trust I repose in the man.
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These people come from all those "think tanks" scattered around the country. The American Congress doesn't write commie laws to well, but they sure take the cash and vote for them. They are no better than a hooker.
Right, but hookers at least do something!!!!
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^ These folks do something, aside from watching our country and countrymen perish,...

...they keep giving themselves raises and ensure they have full benefits upon departure/retirement.
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I think I'll hire a ghost writer to make my posts for me.

That way I don't have to get off the couch at all...
...or worry about being... you know what. Your ghost writer will get the axe!
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Old 09-20-2009, 12:33 AM   #17
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Well considering their staff wrote the bills before I guess this doesn't surprise me at all.
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:44 AM   #18
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Heck, they never read the bill and now you expect them to actually write them! The nerve of the peaseants these days.
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Well, considering their staff wrote the bills before, I guess this doesn't surprise me at all.
Yes, but at least then the elected official would give them some vague direction, look at a bill while it was still in draft, and go over the final version before putting it into the hopper, even if his input was as vague as "I think school buses should be built to be safer." In draft, he might say, "Hey, how about requiring that the backs of the seats must be padded to at least the same level of protection as a car's dashboard?" and after reading the final version he might say, "Yeah, requiring white strobe lights on the roof is a good idea." Then, assuming the bill ever made it out of committee and onto the floor for debate, the elected official would be given talking points by his staff so he wouldn't sound like a complete idiot in debate.

Today, we have a Capitol Building full of halfwits who don't do even that much. If a bill is longer than a few pages, today's Representatives and Senators don't even bother to read it or at least ask some staffer to read it and provide a synopsis for them, so they will understand the bare bones of the issue. The thing that really frosts me that they boast about it - they are PROUD of not reading the bills they are voting on!

Edmund Burke said that "Your representative owes you not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion." The current crop of politicians in Washington from Obama on down provide us with neither industry nor judgment, and they sure as hell don't listen to our opinions on far too many issues! Someone needs to remind them that being elected to Congress is neither a sinecure nor a retirement home for politicians. They are there to do a job, and if they can't or won't do the job they were elected to do, We the People need to replace them at the earliest opportunity.
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I am sure they still have some level of discretion over the bill's contents. It would be like hiring a contractor to build a house and then not picking out any carpet or paint or fixtures.

I can't say for sure if any of them read the bills when they sub them out. Just as I couldn't be sure that any of them read the bills when their staffers were writing them.
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