Old 09-25-2009, 06:59 AM   #1
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Has anyone read this???

Hey Guys / Gals,
I came across this via an e-mail sent by a friend. Check it out.

Note from a Cop

Like the intro said, I don't know if it was really written by a cop or not but it did bring up some interesting points. Makes one think
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Old 09-25-2009, 10:07 AM   #2
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Several of my friends have bought ARs recently, not because they are fearing of some violent upheaval but because they all wanted to branch out into the recreational aspects of them.


I never understand all those reply posts which result in "The military would do X and they stand for A. And the cops are for Y and they stand for B" nonsense when it comes to people discussing how the military vs law enforcement would react to the big tyrannical fist of the government coming and crashing down as if they were two separate entities.

Do people realize that a HUGE portion of America's LEOs are active or former/retired/discharged military? And that both the members of the military and the and LE members of the US took an oath to uphold the Constitution?

IF there were to be some armed revolt taking place as the US population reaches and exceeds its boiling point with its unmanageable differences with big brother I can see many of several things happening when/if the government decides to go stampede all over everyone's rights.

I don't usually partake in threads like this but Im going to entertain this thread lol with the following.

TACAV's 10 Steps to Chaos.

1. Govt. imposes (insert hostile constitutional rights take over here)
2. Govt employees and/or supporters start to carry out above stated actions.
3. Prolonged Civil unrest eventually leads to the "taboo armed violent revolution"
4. Police naturally try to keep order with standard legal and constitutional means.
5. Violence continues.
- Even when keeping with standard legal and constitutional means in attempting to keep the peace violence still continues and is largely directed at the local police as they are the most direct and obvious "symbol" of the higher federal government or government in general. This happens pretty much in every riot known to man no matter how small or stupid the cause.
- This also fortifies the "Us vs Them" mentality amongst police who share the same brotherhood and feelings for each other as fellow soldiers. Again many of whom were former soldiers.
6. Violence and upheaval continues up to a breaking point where...
7. Martial law is instilled probably after someone either police or civilian gets killed or some other high profile catalyst event.
8. As violence escalates and continues Govt imposes harsher means to try to restore order
- These harsher means are just more ammo for the upset populace.
9. Eventually these means will come to a breaking point where they do in fact border on outright unconstitutional but are enacted by high government leadership under emergency statutes.
10. Police and military members alike will have to decide if they want to carry these new means out.
- Regardless of if they do or not people will now capitalize on those that do and again turn all of their aggression on the police/military as the direct target and face of the higher federal government.
- Expect police and military personnel followed home, attacked off duty, or their homes/property harmed or threatened.
- There will be cases where cops or soldiers somewhere who refused to carry out the illegal orders are going to be killed or attacked anyway as the mob lumps all forms of govt into the one enemy group.
- Did I say "Us vs Them"?
- Likewise by now Im sure there will also be innocent civilians killed or injured who got caught somewhere in the middle and even those victims who were not innocent will still be held as martyrs for the cause.

Now I hope it will never get anywhere near this point and I really dont think it ever will, but maybe thats just my wishful thinking.

I will say however...

As an American LEO I dont plan on following any type of illegal unconstitutional order and neither do any of the LEOS Ive talked too, they being my friends and coworkers many of them former soldiers, airmen, and marines. All of them and their families are my family.

And second to that, should someone or some group attempt UNJUST harm to me or my family they are going to get the same treatment as any-other scum bag criminal who might one day decide to kick down my door with nefarious intentions.

Which is probably the same response as anyone else in these forums would do as well.
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Old 09-25-2009, 10:12 AM   #3
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This didn't start with election of BHO...

...and it won't end when he's gone.

Time for some wide angle viewing on this...

...'cause much of the bigger picture isn't in view.

And, it's heart warming to read that LEOs and others...

...are mindful of their oath:

Oath Keepers » Blog Archive » Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey
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Old 09-25-2009, 10:13 AM   #4
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http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/P...nter/tulak.pdf

Washington Post: Northern Command to lead domestic terror response

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Wed, 08/10/2005 - 21:52.

The Washington Post reports Aug. 8 that the Pentagon "has devised its first-ever war plans for guarding against and responding to terrorist attacks in the United States, envisioning 15 potential crisis scenarios and anticipating several simultaneous strikes around the country, according to officers who drafted the plans."

The plans are classified, and the Post mostly relies on anonymous sources at Northern Command headquarters in Colorado Springs, where they were developed. They supposedly "outline a variety of possible roles for quick-reaction forces estimated at as many as 3,000 ground troops per attack, a number that could easily grow depending on the extent of the damage and the abilities of civilian response teams. The possible scenarios range from 'low end,' relatively modest crowd-control missions to 'high-end,' full-scale disaster management after catastrophic attacks such as the release of a deadly biological agent or the explosion of a radiological device, several officers said. Some of the worst-case scenarios involve three attacks at the same time, in keeping with a Pentagon directive earlier this year ordering Northcom, as the command is called, to plan for multiple simultaneous attacks."

"In my estimation, [in the event of] a biological, a chemical or nuclear attack in any of the 50 states, the Department of Defense is best positioned - of the various eight federal agencies that would be involved - to take the lead," said Adm. Timothy J. Keating, the head of Northcom, one of the few sources to speak on the record.

The plans are said to consist of two main documents. One, CONPLAN 2002, is reportedly an "umbrella document" identifying various threat scenarios and response strategies. The other, CONPLAN 0500, deals with the specifics of the response operations. CONPLAN 2002 has passed a review by the Pentagon's Joint Staff and is due to go soon to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top aides for approval. CONPLAN 0500 is still undergoing final drafting. (CONPLAN stands for "concept plan," generally an abbreviated version of an OPLAN, or "operations plan," which specifies forces and timelines for movement into a combat zone.)

Since Northcom's inception in October 2002, its headquarters staff has grown to about 640, making it larger than the Southern Command, although smaller than the regional commands for Europe, the Middle East and the Pacific. Writes the Post: "A brief tour late last month of Northcom's operations center at Peterson Air Force Base found officers monitoring not only aircraft and ship traffic around the United States but also the Discovery space shuttle mission, the National Scout Jamboree in Virginia, several border surveillance operations and a few forest firefighting efforts."

Pentagon authorities have reportedly rejected the idea of creating large standing units dedicated to homeland missions, opting instead for a "dual-use" approach, "drawing on a common pool of troops trained both for homeland and overseas assignments. Particular reliance is being placed on the National Guard, which is expanding a network of 22-member civil support teams to all states and forming about a dozen 120-member regional response units. Congress last year also gave the Guard expanded authority under Title 32 of the U.S. Code to perform such homeland missions as securing power plants and other critical facilities. But the Northcom commander can quickly call on active-duty forces as well. On top of previous powers to send fighter jets into the air, Keating earlier this year gained the authority to dispatch Navy and Coast Guard ships to deal with suspected threats off U.S. coasts. He also has immediate access to four active-duty Army battalions based around the country, officers here said."

Reference is made to secretive "homeland" military exercises code-named Vital Archer, involving troops in lead roles. In contrast, homeland exercises featuring troops in supporting roles are widely publicized.

Towards the end, the Post does mention concerns of civil liberties that the Northern Command operations could violate the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which "restricts the use of troops in domestic law enforcement." (It is actually generally held to ban it outright.) "But Pentagon authorities have told Congress they see no need to change the law. According to military lawyers here, the dispatch of ground troops would most likely be justified on the basis of the president's authority under Article 2 of the Constitution to serve as commander in chief and protect the nation. The Posse Comitatus Act exempts actions authorized by the Constitution." But the Post also noted that "Keating left the door open to seeking an amendment of the Posse Comitatus Act."

We have noted before that plans for domestic military rule or martial law, suspension of constitutional rights and mass detainment were drawn up in the Reagan era by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and then-National Security Council operative Lt. Col. Oliver North. In 1984, FEMA carried out a series of "readiness exercises" (dubbed REX 84 ALPHA) in preparation for the mass detainments. The secret plans were revealed in the 1987 Congressional hearings on the "Contragate" scandal. Then, the emergency scenario was a massive wave of refugees and domestic protest sparked by a US invasion of Central America. As Diana Reynolds writes for The Public Eye, a watchdog newsletter on the right-wing:

Since the advent of changes which took place during the Reagan regime, America has been a presidential directive away from a civil security state of emergency which, if ever enacted, could create a constitutional crisis equal in severity to the American Civil War.
A national state of emergency can be declared by a concurrent resolution of both houses of Congress or by the President in the case of natural disasters, nuclear war, a massive mobilization in anticipation of an enemy attack on U.S. territory, or domestic civil unrest.
A disturbing shift in policy occurred during the Reagan years which could have profound consequences with respect to civil liberties. Whereas civil defense planning in the past had focused on disaster relief, the national security focus of the Reagan administration meant implementing new ways to expand police powers in times of nuclear war, domestic unrest, or civil disorder.


This was written shortly before 9-11. When do we decide that we are already in a constitutional crisis?
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"This was written shortly before 9-11. When do we decide that we are already in a constitutional crisis?" -ke4sky

Not now...

...there are too many enjoying the eat, drink and be merry trance they're feeling very warm and cozy in.

Please, let's get back to that later...

...when this fun and exciting party is over.

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Old 09-25-2009, 10:20 AM   #6
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Quote:       Originally Posted by LiveToShoot View Post
"This was written shortly before 9-11. When do we decide that we are already in a constitutional crisis?" -ke4sky

Not now...

...there are too many enjoying the eat, drink and be merry trance they're feeling very warm and cozy in.

Please, let's get back to that later...

...when this fun and exciting party is over.

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Ooops...

...the party is already over!
lol you mean the "post party here comes the dreaded sickening hangover before the nasty vomiting" part?
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B a a r r r f f f at the porcelain throne, a nasty and very dirty one,...

...yes, and a state of drunken comatose for many!

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